AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Dave2150]

Ignoring Vulkan and DX12 just shown how little you understand, its all performance and there is a reason for the huge performance of the RX480 with those API's,

The compute and render throughput of the 480 is actually near that on the GTX 1070 (5.8 vs 6.5TFlops), thats why its much closer to the 1070 with those API's, it is simply bottlenecked in DX11.

Its the same reason why often the Fury-X is little or no faster than the RX 480 or 390X at 1080P, a massively more powerful GPU constrained to the same levels of performance as those much weaker GPU's.

If AMD improve their own DX11 overheads to the levels of Nvidia and add about 100Mhz to the RX 480 they already have a GTX 1070 level card.

With twice the number of shaders Vega would blow the GTX 1080 out of the water, possibly also beat Pacal TX.

Your ignorance of this is causing you to approach it from completely the wrong angle, AMD could make a GPU 5x as powerful as the 1080 and yet if they don't sort their own DX11 bottlenecks it will be little to no faster than the RX 480/.

All IF and BUT's.

Face reality, the only good card AMD currently have is the RX480. It competes with the GTX1060, and that's it.

People care about performance today, the next few months and year or two. DX11 games are here to stay, DX12 has been hugely disappointing so far. This will not change during 2017, or even 2018.

Vulkan is the only good new API, and so far we've had only one frigging game that took advantage of it (Doom).

Vega needs to get a move on, or NVIDIA will have Pascal's refresh and Volta out before Vega even hits the stores.

 

[Dave2150]

The fact that a "leak" confirms it doesn't actually mean anything. It could be June, it could be second half easy, things get delayed.

lol, leaks from AMD's official sliders. Maybe read some news articles from time to time? (Not WCCFTECH, but reliable ones).

 

[Dave2150]

If they release and expect people to be all excited about a dual Polaris card they're fools, The majority of those that do buy it will end up regretting it or they'll end up doing what AMDMatt does when benching with his pro duo, ie: game with one chip turned off all the time

Knowing AMD that's exactly what we're getting, a completely pointless and pathetic dual Polaris piece of crap

 

[Griffildur]

lol, leaks from AMD's official sliders. Maybe read some news articles from time to time? (Not WCCFTECH, but reliable ones).

Nice little sarcasm there. I am sure this would be the first time when a company is late, I am sure AMD have never been late with any launches . Stop being so literal. Stuff happens.

 

[Dave2150]

Nice little sarcasm there. I am sure this would be the first time when a company is late, I am sure AMD have never been late with any launches . Stop being so literal. Stuff happens.

I think you need to learn to read posts more carefully. AMD have a history of pathetic paper launches and also launching the wrong product at the wrong time. I'm not suggesting otherwise, AMD have been very disappointing for many years.

Hopefully they can turn it around and conduct a fantastic launch for Vega, though I'm sure they'll find a way to fudge it

Meanwhile I'm happy with my 1070, so no skin off my nose, though I'd love Vega to do well so we have competition again.

 

[Gregster]

Vega is 1H 2017, as confirmed by numerous leaks. Don't post nonsense.

Got proof of that?

 

[bru]

Got proof of that?

Greg see the first post in this thread, official AMD slide that states quite clearly that Vega will launch for the enthusiast market in 1H 2017.

 

[Gregster]

Greg see the first post in this thread, official AMD slide that states quite clearly that Vega will launch for the enthusiast market in 1H 2017.

Cheers Bru. Been so long, I forgot

 

[TNA]

Cheers Bru. Been so long, I forgot

lol. That is what happened to me also

While typing 2H 2017 in my head it was 1H 2017 but my hands were typing 2H for some reason, then when people told me that was not confirmed, I was like I swear so many said this here. Then later I realise looking at the thread title and OP that it was AMD slides and the confusion just came from me typing 2H. lol

 

[five8five]

If AMD has a faster card than the XP then NV can only match or beat AMD if NV already have a faster GPU ready to go. R&D takes a lot of time, having the money is only half of the equation.

It's difficult to think that Nvidia won't have something competiitive. I know some posters on here believed Nvidia were miles behind AMD but releasing the 1070/80 & Titan XP while AMD's best effort was the 480 points to them being ahead or at least level pegging.

 

[Griffildur]

It's difficult to think that Nvidia won't have something competiitive. I know some posters on here believed Nvidia were miles behind AMD but releasing the 1070/80 & Titan XP while AMD's best effort was the 480 points to them being ahead or at least level pegging.

of course they will have something, since it'll be a year.

By that time, if AMD do manage to come up with an impressive card, they can just drop the price on the 1070 and 1080 pretty much like AMD did with the FuryX cards. They will have had a whole year of high prices and high profits.

AMD do need to catch up somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if we get the 1080 TI in a few months and then NVidia will be on their way to deliver the next gen.

This is all supposition of course, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit. That's what happens when a company plays catch up. Let's hope the next release goes without glitches for AMD.

 

[Dave2150]

Cheers Bru. Been so long, I forgot

No problems, we forgive you at your age

 

[Dave2150]

It's difficult to think that Nvidia won't have something competiitive. I know some posters on here believed Nvidia were miles behind AMD but releasing the 1070/80 & Titan XP while AMD's best effort was the 480 points to them being ahead or at least level pegging.

It's been briefly mentioned that NVIDIA could have done a '5 generational leap' when they launched Pascal. Meaning they are sitting on a number of dramatic improvements they can choose to launch at any time.

With all the money they are putting into R&D I can believe it. Frankly I'm amazed AMD could compete with the 1060 with their RX480, though perhaps NVIDIA allowed them this victory to avoid any monopoly rulings or so.

 

[maonayze]

Currently Nvidia have a lot more money behind them than AMD. That allows them to do a lot more R&D etc..etc.. At this point in time AMD have to slowly claw back some market share to gain a few sheckles in the R&D pot. AMD need Vega to be a very competitive card at a competitive price with a good set of drivers from the get go. Also they need Zen to do the same. Then they can compete on a more level basis.

If Zen/Vega is a failure AMD are toast, and we will all eventually be gaming on consoles if the cost of lone vendor hardware increases vastly with each generation. Simples.

 

[Klo]

Currently Nvidia have a lot more money behind them than AMD. That allows them to do a lot more R&D etc..etc.. At this point in time AMD have to slowly claw back some market share to gain a few sheckles in the R&D pot. AMD need Vega to be a very competitive card at a competitive price with a good set of drivers from the get go. Also they need Zen to do the same. Then they can compete on a more level basis.

If Zen/Vega is a failure AMD are toast, and we will all eventually be gaming on consoles if the cost of lone vendor hardware increases vastly with each generation. Simples.

Well who is going to be supplying the hardware for the consoles? If Nvidia, expect price rises for those as well!

Also like Intel they can't get too high, as people simply won't buy their products. What is more likely going to happen is that the rate of progress will massively slow down, expect 10% increases in performance instead of 30-40% or whatever.

 

[nashathedog]

Plus they'll find more ways to nerf older gen performance to push people to buy new products even though what they have should manage fine and shouldn't need replacing.

If they could get away with it they'd stick odometers in the cards with a break once passed feature in there so that you need a new gpu every 60,000 hours. One particular part like a cam belt so when it goes it destroys the whole thing.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think some of you are way to pessimistic. Remember what happened after the Geforce 3 and 4 series where Nvidia dominated ATI - the 9700 PRO. That came out of nowhere as everybody thought ATI were finished.

Remember what happened after the ATI 2000 and HD3000 series,the HD4000 and HD5000 series. The HD4000 and the HD5000 series also came out of nowhere.

Nvidia still probably outspent ATI/AMD on graphics during those years too.

I doubt massive companies like Google and Alibaba would be buying AMD cards next year,if they thought AMD was going anywhere,let alone Sony or MS with their new consoles.

Also to put it bluntly,the main problem with the current AMD CPUs are margins - selling 250MM2 and 330MM2 sized chips for as low as £60,really is the issue.

Even if a 200MM2 Zen maxed out at £200 to £300 it would probably make the company massively more profitable.

 

[FoxEye]

It's been briefly mentioned that NVIDIA could have done a '5 generational leap' when they launched Pascal. Meaning they are sitting on a number of dramatic improvements they can choose to launch at any time.

I'm very sceptical of that claim. Mentioned by whom?

 

[Final8y]

It's difficult to think that Nvidia won't have something competiitive. I know some posters on here believed Nvidia were miles behind AMD but releasing the 1070/80 & Titan XP while AMD's best effort was the 480 points to them being ahead or at least level pegging.

I have not seen users saying NV are miles behind and i think people have missed the point, NV very likely has something to counter anything that AMD has next, but IF for whatever reason they dont, just having lots of money will not mean they can make a counter at a drop of a hat.

 

[Rroff]

I'm very sceptical of that claim. Mentioned by whom?

I think that is very much a "could" - technically they could, economically no - it would have been like £20,000+ GPUs with supply close to non-existent.