People I paid to clean my flat took my posessions

SexyGreyFox said:
Nobody has thought the OP left it on purpose :confused:

Or have I missed a post?
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Well if it wasn't left in error, the only other option is that it was left intentionally as unwanted.

Realistically, if you were cleaning a completely emptied house and found an item left in a drawer would you think "Someone obviously forgot to get this out of the drawer" or "This has clearly been left in this drawer as unwanted rubbish"?

I would be thinking the former.
 
Kenai said:
Well if it wasn't left in error, the only other option is that it was left intentionally as unwanted.

Realistically, if you were cleaning a completely emptied house and found an item left in a drawer would you think "Someone obviously forgot to get this out of the drawer" or "This has clearly been left in this drawer as unwanted rubbish"?

I would be thinking the former.
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It wasn't a completely emptied house because there was lots of other rubbish and the cleaners were told to clean it all and bin it. The cleaner finds an old toy in the rubbish and takes it home. They don't know it's value because it is removed from the box. Whan asked about the toy they don't act innocent but own up to having it - no intent.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
It wasn't a completely emptied house because there was lots of other rubbish and the cleaners were told to clean it all and bin it. The cleaner finds an old toy in the rubbish and takes it home. They don't know it's value because it is removed from the box. Whan asked about the toy they don't act innocent but own up to having it - no intent.
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Didn't see anything to suggest the house was full of rubbish but I may have missed it, regardless, I covered that off in my first post.

I made no comment on intent, just that if the house was completely empty, I think it is much more reasonable for a cleaner to assume mistakenly left behind rather than rubbish, when they find a boxed model in a drawer.
 
People keep saying it's 'obvious' about either it's value or it being a mistake, but I really don't think it is. I've moved house about 8 times in the last 20 years, I'm sure I've left behind things I don't need before that possibly others would have a use for and might even think there's value to. It would really annoy me if someone rang me up telling me I had to come get it...
 
We don't even know at this point that they are old. They are described as 'mint' which might make it hard tell how old they are to someone not in the know.
 
Jeez, it's a minimum wage cleaner who has been ordered to clean up all the rubbish & bin it.
They find an old/new toy choo choo train in a box and take it home.
They take it out of the box because it is a choo choo train toy.
They don't act innocent when asked and return it, if they knew it was worth something they would have not opened it and it would be with a dealer when it had all calmed down.
Nothing to see here.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Jeez, it's a minimum wage cleaner who has been ordered to clean up all the rubbish & bin it.
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You've mentioned this 'clean up all the rubbish and bin it' a couple of times now but all i've seen from the OP is that they were hired to professionally clean an empty flat, no mention of tidying up a load of trash he left behind and subsequent rubbish disposal - have I missed this post?
 
Kenai said:
You've mentioned this 'clean up all the rubbish and bin it' a couple of times now but all i've seen from the OP is that they were hired to professionally clean an empty flat, no mention of tidying up a load of trash he left behind and subsequent rubbish disposal - have I missed this post?
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It's in the opening post, they must do it all the time cleaning up the rubbish.
If not they must be employed as Tidy Uppers.

What do you think professionally cleaning a flat is?

HaX said:
I then spoke to the cleaning firm who said that they hadn't seen it, though the their employee may have mistaken it for rubbish and thrown it away.
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SexyGreyFox said:
It's in the opening post, they must do it all the time cleaning up the rubbish.
If not they must be employed as Tidy Uppers.

What do you think professionally cleaning a flat is?
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I would expect it to be things like deep cleaning carpets, degreasing kitchens, descaling bathrooms, properly dusting and wiping down surfaces etc.

Not collecting up a load of crap left behind by the last occupant - just putting rubbish in the bin is what a 'tidy upper' would be doing. What you quote from Hax doesn't say they were there to tidy up all the rubbish he left behind, just that they claimed they thought his model was rubbish - this could be genuine or a cover for taking something rather than phoning to ask if it was rubbish or not.

I see nothing else from the OP that implies he's left behind loads of crap that need binning and this would have been just one thing of many they found - to me it reads as if he left the flat empty and this was probably the only item they found, bar maybe the odd lollypop stick behind the sofa etc.
 
Kenai said:
I would expect it to be things like deep cleaning carpets, degreasing kitchens, descaling bathrooms, properly dusting and wiping down surfaces etc.

Not collecting up a load of crap left behind by the last occupant - just putting rubbish in the bin is what a 'tidy upper' would be doing. What you quote from Hax doesn't say they were there to tidy up all the rubbish he left behind, just that they claimed they thought it was rubbish - this could be genuine or a cover for taking something rather than phoning to ask if it was rubbish or not.

I see nothing else from the OP that implies he's left behind loads of crap that need binning and this would have been just one thing of many they found - to me it reads as if he left the flat empty and this was probably the only item they found, bar maybe the odd lollypop stick behind the sofa etc.
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That's a rather big hole you are digging.
So a professional cleaning company doesn't come in and clean up the rubbish - OK :D
I suggest you watch Hoarders who employ professional cleaning services.

That is pure gold.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
That's a rather big hole you are digging.
So a professional cleaning company doesn't come in and clean up the rubbish - OK :D
I suggest you watch Hoarders who employ professional cleaning services.

That is pure gold.
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Of course they would, if the place had been left looking like Stig of the Dump was the last tenant but that's not the point i'm making, which i'm sure you know.

Nothing in the OP implies he left behind piles of rubbish that they needed to bin - it sounds more like he left a tidy flat that needed deep cleaning but this doesn't fit with your narrative so you're twisting every way you can to avoid discussing this point.

Edit - for clarity, i'm discussing whether it would 'obviously have been left in error'

Energize said:
In the mind of the cleaner was some model train something that was clearly left in error though?
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Kenai said:
If he's emptied the rest of the house, then obviously it was in error. If he's left piles of his crap everywhere then no, not obviously in error.

It's a stretch to think someone who has emptied an entire house would have intentionally left a boxed model in a drawer as rubbish.
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Kenai said:
Of course they would, if the place had been left looking like Stig of the Dump was the last tenant but that's not the point i'm making, which i'm sure you know.

Nothing in the OP implies he left behind piles of rubbish that they needed to bin - it sounds more like he left a tidy flat that needed deep cleaning but this doesn't fit with your narrative so you're twisting every way you can to avoid discussing this point.
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I'm not twisting anything, the cleaners would have been told to go in and professionally clean it which would mean removing rubbish. A cleaner finds a toy and decides to keep it. Whether the OP had left it spotless or not doesn't matter one jot, these guys are professionals and do this stuff every day.
Most of their jobs would probably involve multiple skips like they had to do with my next door but one neighbour when she was evicted.

And I am 100% certain it was left in error or else this thread wouldn't exist.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I'm not twisting anything, the cleaners would have been told to go in and professionally clean it which would mean removing rubbish.
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I refer you to the edit in my previous post, with the re-emphasised part of my first post.

How obvious it would have been that it was rubbish or left by mistake depends on the rest of the flat.

A flat full of crap, sure it's just another bit of crap amongst the rest.

If he's left the place tidy though then finding a boxed up model in a drawer should stick out like a sore thumb as 'perhaps this has been left by mistake' - especially to a professional - agree or disagree?
 
Kenai said:
If he's left the place tidy though then finding a boxed up model in a drawer should stick out like a sore thumb as 'perhaps this has been left by mistake' - especially to a professional - agree or disagree?
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If he had left the flat completely tidy with no other rubbish then I see your point that alarm bells should have rung however there was no intent from the cleaner because they unboxed it, they didn't act all innocent and handed it back immediately.
 
You guys are quite funny. I think we're going round in circles and as far as I'm concerned you've not really made me sway my thoughts even a little bit. You like to make a lot of assumptions and avoid/ignore information anyone else is providing. Time to unsub the thread I think...

I think this began because I questioned that the Police should be called, which I still believe is ridiculous. I don't think they'd be very happy with you.
 
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