Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

[Dj_Jestar]

Following the "leak" last week:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ants-sacked-dismissed-crackdown-a7454421.html

Theresa May orders crackdown on unauthorised leaks by ministers and civil servants, leaked memorandum reveals

Apart from the obvious "leak ironylols" that's quite an ominous directive/statement. Punishing the whistleblower etc.

 

[mmj_uk]

To be honest that minister walking around with all of their notes showing was obviously making an intentional leak, I think it's kind of treasonous the way pro-EU MP's are trying to sabotage British independence at every turn.

You've got people like Tim Farron campaigning for another referendum once we know the terms of Brexit but if that was to happen the EU will just give us the worst possible Brexit deal so that we all vote to stay in. He's probably all too aware of that which is why he's pusing.

 

[V F]

What an odious little man Tim Farron truly is.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

To be honest that minister walking around with all of their notes showing was obviously making an intentional leak, I think it's kind of treasonous the way pro-EU MP's are trying to sabotage British independence at every turn.

You've got people like Tim Farron campaigning for another referendum once we know the terms of Brexit but if that was to happen the EU will just give us the worst possible Brexit deal so that we all vote to stay in. He's probably all too aware of that which is why he's pusing.

Interesting you don't mention treason when the pro-leave campaign literally lie through their teeth to get the vote they want. Surely that counts as treason to actually commit a fraudulent act to dupe the nation?

 

[Bonjour]

I'm guessing individuals' search histories won't be recorded? With all of Google now being https, it would require some kind of man-in-the-middle setup to decrypt the data.

 

[Mynight]

I'm guessing individuals' search histories won't be recorded? With all of Google now being https, it would require some kind of man-in-the-middle setup to decrypt the data.

Wouldn't they just ask Google for them? I presume google still stores them.

 

[Rroff]

I'm guessing individuals' search histories won't be recorded? With all of Google now being https, it would require some kind of man-in-the-middle setup to decrypt the data.

Ostensibly its just a recording of the top level domain rather than the exact page or content though they seem to be trying to push for recording of email and other social media activity, etc.

 

[Destination]

Ostensibly its just a recording of the top level domain rather than the exact page or content though they seem to be trying to push for recording of email and other social media activity, etc.

Recording everyone social media for one year, and maintaining it safely?
This seems a spectacular project in terms of archiving, unless I am missing something.

Rroff what did you mean in terms of bad things to groups of young people?
They can't find groups of people in the current structure, they have to investigate a person, rather than a location, so you couldn't ask for a list of everyone who went to 'gay' domain, or 'sexchange' domain could you, as head of the Northern Ireland fire and rescue service?
Else its an utter recipe for witchhuntery.

 

[Bonjour]

Wouldn't they just ask Google for them? I presume google still stores them.

Yeah, they can do that and no doubt they do once someone's been flagged. It's a far cry from having the data on tap to a large number of government agencies, though.

 

[Rroff]

Rroff what did you mean in terms of bad things to groups of young people?
They can't find groups of people in the current structure, they have to investigate a person, rather than a location, so you couldn't ask for a list of everyone who went to 'gay' domain, or 'sexchange' domain could you, as head of the Northern Ireland fire and rescue service?
Else its an utter recipe for witchhuntery.

My context is more in the event of a leak of information, etc. than necessarily how the system would be used normally. At this stage it is pretty early days but sounds like quite a lot of potential for younger people being exposed in a very dangerous way if things did go wrong.

 

[Tefal]

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[stewski]

I'm guessing individuals' search histories won't be recorded? With all of Google now being https, it would require some kind of man-in-the-middle setup to decrypt the data.

Technically HTTPS and TLS using pki are resistant to mitm attacks to my knowledge.

 

[Bonjour]

Technically HTTPS and TLS using pki are resistant to mitm attacks to my knowledge.

We have a mitm set up at work so we can decrypt search terms. Have to display a disclaimer when a web browser is launched, obviously.

 

[Energize]

Technically HTTPS and TLS using pki are resistant to mitm attacks to my knowledge.

Yeah you can't mitm a tls connection.

 

[stewski]

We have a mitm set up at work so we can decrypt search terms. Have to display a disclaimer when a web browser is launched, obviously.

Are they controlling the browser installation, if so it isn't technically using PKI in my understanding as a local certificates authority is intervening.

 

[Bonjour]

Are they controlling the browser installation, if so it isn't technically using PKI in my understanding as a local certificates authority is intervening.

We install and trust a local certificate from our UTM through which all traffic passes, so no it's not PKI.

 

[stewski]

We install and trust a local certificate from our UTM through which all traffic passes, so no it's not PKI.

Understood, I wouldn't class it as man in the middle when the host is compromised, it's similar to the lenovo suckerfish scandal?

 

[SpitfireTT]

A well known VPN Company who have servers in the UK have stated the Bill isn't being enforced as of yet , its still to be "determined"

Our datacenter partners have advised us that the Investigatory Powers Act is not yet being enforced and the specifics of how and when it will be enforced, and who will pay for it, is still to be determined.

 

[Mynight]

The Petitions Committee has decided not to schedule a debate on this petition. When it decides which petitions should be debated, the Committee looks at whether the subject has recently been debated by the House of Commons.

The Investigatory Powers Bill was debated on many occasions in Parliament before it became law. You can read all the debates here:
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2015-16/investigatorypowers/stages.html

Before it was introduced into Parliament, the Bill was investigated by a Committee of MPs and Members of the House of Lords, who heard evidence and produced a report with recommendations about the Bill. You can find out about the work of that Committee here:

https://www.parliament.uk/business/...joint-select/draft-investigatory-powers-bill/

Appears they've made up their minds...

 

[Narj]

Absolutely outrageous. So much for democracy.

Screw voting Tory in the future.