Angela Merkel and her decisions
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Which issues do you lean right on?
About as much as I lean left on, I'm pretty central.
I assume what you actually meant was the traditional meaning of liberal (as opposed to the alt right version).
If someone whats to do/wear something that isn't going to harm anyone else then they should be free to do so, however if someone wants to force something on someone for no legitimate reason then I'll argue against it.
I assume what you actually meant was the traditional meaning of liberal (as opposed to the alt right version).
If someone whats to do/wear something that isn't going to harm anyone else then they should be free to do so, however if someone wants to force something on someone for no legitimate reason then I'll argue against it.
Canadian immigration maybe...
For someone who lives in Canada you spend an awful lot of time talking about British issues Amp!
I'm British, and haven't been in Canada long. 
Also worth pointing out this thread is about Angela Merkel and Germany*. Why are you posting in a thread about Germany? You don't appear to live in Germany Uther.
*That said this isn't really a country based issue so where you live and where the OP's quote came from doesn't really matter.
Also worth pointing out this thread is about Angela Merkel and Germany*. Why are you posting in a thread about Germany? You don't appear to live in Germany Uther.
*That said this isn't really a country based issue so where you live and where the OP's quote came from doesn't really matter.
From what I gather people are far more forgiving about culture here, in part because most Canadians are either recent immigrants or remember that their parents/grandparents were immigrants. Where I live (a big city) if you go out you'll see people from almost every culture under the sun. Whether its the same in butt**** nowheresville I don't know. That said even then it's probably more liberal than most small villages in the UK.
Canada recently brought over 35,000 Syrians and I haven't seen any negative news about it, whether that is because I don't know about the Canadian equivalents of the Express and Mail (or perhaps they don't exist) I don't know.
Besides at this time of year covering your face is pretty normal. It's currently - 25 C here.
EDIT: Just out of interest I had a look to see what the stats on Islam are in Canada -
Islam in the UK - 4.4%
Islam in Canada - 3.2%
So while not as high a proportion it's not that different.
Canada recently brought over 35,000 Syrians and I haven't seen any negative news about it, whether that is because I don't know about the Canadian equivalents of the Express and Mail (or perhaps they don't exist) I don't know.
Besides at this time of year covering your face is pretty normal. It's currently - 25 C here.
EDIT: Just out of interest I had a look to see what the stats on Islam are in Canada -
Islam in the UK - 4.4%
Islam in Canada - 3.2%
So while not as high a proportion it's not that different.
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Odd sideswipes and irrelevances aside, Amp clearly makes a more cogent argument for not having a blanket ban on face veils, than the detractors.
People saying that they have "knowledge" of the motivation of why women (en mass) wear face veils in the UK, Germany etc, really lose all credibility based on both my experience and their clear lack of evidence.
All that said, if a location legally demands the removal of head gear, I'm not really interested in Sky Fairy excuses and making exception to such law for "sensitivity" purposes (whatever they may be) is a major mistake in my opinion.
People saying that they have "knowledge" of the motivation of why women (en mass) wear face veils in the UK, Germany etc, really lose all credibility based on both my experience and their clear lack of evidence.
All that said, if a location legally demands the removal of head gear, I'm not really interested in Sky Fairy excuses and making exception to such law for "sensitivity" purposes (whatever they may be) is a major mistake in my opinion.
Well... any robber or terrorisy is going to disguise themselves in some way of form so it might as well have been any other disguise. If someone is carrying a firearm under a full Islamic outfit then they could equally be wearing a bike helmet and have a rucksack with said gun in it *shrug*.
Surely the actual point is that people who could be concealing weapons are searched appropriately for them - and are then permitted to wear as they please. Wear what you want, but expect to be checked if wearing potentially weapon concealing clothing. Seems fair.
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Woah woah
Are we discussing all face coverings or just veils?
If i knew blankets were up for banning i will be strongly against this, a blanket over the face saved me from many monsters as a child.
Fair enough. However look at it this way too, those other items all have an actual practical use. What's the point of female islamic clothing again?
I have no problem from blankets that shield you from the flying spaghetti monster
as long as where legally required you remove it and No I don't think that should be everywhere!Question's irrelevant, I mean what are the point of suspenders now that the garter belt has arrived, yet every Wednesday I go to a lumberjacks bar and...
I'll get my coat.
I don't really think that's relevant - it's just what they choose to wear for whatever reason *shrug*
It wouldn't be right or fair to punish a group of people just because, ultimately, we don't see the point in what they choose to wear. And it would be a punishment because it's prohibiting something they choose to do I.e restricting their freedoms, in this case not only their freedom to choose their clothing but the freedom to express their religious beliefs or their cultural identity.
Except it's not a requirement of their faith. It's a cultural misogynistic enforcement. I thought in our society such things were wrong?
Yes some will say they wear it through choice but that's because it is so entrained into their psyche by the upbringing they suffered. No person on their right mind would willingly cover up something so fundedamental to their identity and social lifestyle.
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You really don't understand religion.
When a religious belief is about oppressing people, removing that object of oppression is giving them freedom.
It's like saying black slaves who wore slave collars are their lives, and thought they should wear them, by removing them gives them freedom. But they want to wear it, because that is what they've been taught.
It's basically stockholm syndrome. Then throw in fear of change, rebelling against what they've been told and what they believe in is part of that- then they are locked into that mindset.
In the same way that western women are culturally mysogonistically forced to cover the upper half of their bodies?
No one has actually provided any evidence that most women wear veils (in the west) because they are forced to by their families, rather than just as a cultural hanger on.
How many of those women would rather not wear them, but are forced to by family? How many of those women wear them because they believe their culture requires them, and how many wear them because they actually want to wear them, so their face is not seen by men outside their family? They are the important questions that need to be answered before we can go any further.