Let's all go on strike!

[h4rm0ny]

I'm with you all! Atlas Shrugged is one of my favourite novels!

 

[shauncr91]

Would you continue to work if your employer owed you over £700 for the past 2yrs?

 

[Caged]

I see unions and strikes as necessary in a world where the balance of power is in the hands of employers. "If you don't like this change to your job, go and get a different one" is not viable in a society where there are more people than jobs, and starts a race to the bottom in terms of pay/conditions.

 

[lude1962]

UK management is to blame....

Car industry... blame the unions.... actually it was UK management unions took the blame.

Coal industry... fighting the community they was absolutely correct. However coal needed to be removed but not in the way it was dismantled.

UK management is scared of the union simply because they are scared of them and so called power being taken away. Hence you have the management 300miles to the right of the line and you have the unions 300 miles to the left.

UK management is to blame not the unions, the union is the result of shockingly bad management.

And don't forget shipbuilding.
Applying to most cases:
Unions wanted a nice protected job for life with regular pay increases.
Certain jobs could be only done by certain unions, no job crossover or sharing, this stifled modernization.
Management were also at fault by not modernizing and investing in new technologies.
This impasse continued for decade after decade, meanwhile the rest of the world moved on, leaving us using outdated production methods and machinery.

 

[chroniclard]

I'm a stay at home dad, can i go on strike?

Much like housewives/mums, you dont have a job to strike from.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Striking is not a sign of strength, but of failure. It means that whatever demands you are making can't be met by simply changing employers, so instead you throw a tantrum and demand it instead.

If you are that valuable, you don't need to strike.

Blinkered.

 

[campbell]

Strikes are good. Who doesn't want extra days off.

 

[Pawnless Endgame]

Strikes are good. Who doesn't want extra days off.

Without pay?

Last time my company struck (NHS), my department chose to work through the strike and we got paid ok. Except for the one lazy Daily Express reader (and leaves the office 10 minutes before her finishing time) decided to strike and Payroll docked her pay.

 

[Orionaut]

And don't forget shipbuilding.
Applying to most cases:
Unions wanted a nice protected job for life with regular pay increases.
Certain jobs could be only done by certain unions, no job crossover or sharing, this stifled modernization.
Management were also at fault by not modernizing and investing in new technologies.
This impasse continued for decade after decade, meanwhile the rest of the world moved on, leaving us using outdated production methods and machinery.

Sure I remember a British Leyland case from the 70's where a massive drawn out dispute arose from a "Painter" being asked to empty a litter bin!

The resulting loss of production (in modern money) ran to well over £2 Billion (seems like a lot, but 200,000 vehicles would cover that more or less)

No wonder we do not have much in base manufacturing any more./

Goose, Golden Egg, Killed!

 

[Scania]

Argos delivery drivers.

Drivers employed by Wincanton Logistics who happen to work on a contract at an Argos site, not all Argos drivers by any means.

The dispute is over unpaid holiday pay and Argos are caught in the middle.

 

[StriderX]

Sure I remember a British Leyland case from the 70's where a massive drawn out dispute arose from a "Painter" being asked to empty a litter bin!

The resulting loss of production (in modern money) ran to well over £2 Billion (seems like a lot, but 200,000 vehicles would cover that more or less)

No wonder we do not have much in base manufacturing any more./

Goose, Golden Egg, Killed!

****** company, like most British ones.

 

[Scania]

Double post.

 

[neil_g]

So every person that has striked is a worthless piece, it's not about throwing toys out of the pram and being a militant it's about being heard and not being walked over.

Tell that to any passenger that has to try and use the Southern Raul franchise.

It's farcical, their timetable has been in tatters for months over this dispute. It should not be allowed to have this much impact on the end user/customer and Gov should have stepped in a long time ago.

 

[stewski]

Tell that to any passenger that has to try and use the Southern Raul franchise.

It's farcical, their timetable has been in tatters for months over this dispute. It should not be allowed to have this much impact on the end user/customer and Gov should have stepped in a long time ago.

perhaps those customers should ask why supposed competition in the rail segment and price hikes havent resulted in a company that can attract a loyal workforce!

 

[robfosters]

I remember going through a picket line at work once in about 2004. The PCS members at the Foreign Office were striking because we had only been offered a 3% pay rise.

How times change. They'd bite your hand off for that now.

 

[sports_brah]

Not everyone gets to be an astronaut. Not everyone can realistically move between jobs.

We live in a society where the gap between the rich and the poor is widening. Unions are one of the few powers that allow the 'little people' to fight back.

Coming from the person happy for all migrants to come across..

 

[Caged]

Tell that to any passenger that has to try and use the Southern Raul franchise.

It's farcical, their timetable has been in tatters for months over this dispute. It should not be allowed to have this much impact on the end user/customer and Gov should have stepped in a long time ago.

Southern had huge problems before the strikes started. The blog post linked earlier explains it better than I can, but I commute on a GTR line and I guarantee that the driver shortages in particular have been evident since before GTR took over from First.

There was cross-party support for TfL taking over the franchises as they expired, but Chris Grayling needlessly politicised the whole affair.

 

[StriderX]

Just sell all of them to China and be done with it.

 

[Cosimo]

We're out Frenching the French with this many strikes.

We're bottom of the league when you look at their militant action.

 

[Orionaut]

When was the last time a strike really accomplished anything for the most part?

Do a web search for a graph for UK Coal production over the last 150 years or so.

You will notice that there are a number of sharp dips.

These represent big strikes.

Now look closely. You will notice that after each strike, Coal production rises again, but it never ever again reaches pre-strike production levels.

Each strike has caused permanent and irreparable damage to the industry over all.

The slow decline of the UK coal industry was inevitable for many reasons, But it could have had a much softer landing but for the behaviour of the NUM.

It was the NUM that killed it.