All police to have degrees!
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I read it as dungarees 
Shock horror as students (people) enjoy themselves. You sound jealous.
I'm joking mate. For someone with a degree you don't seem to have developed a sense of humour as one of those transferable skills.
You should try being funny.
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This will do to UK policing exactly what it did to UK nursing : turn a vocation full of committed staff into one full of clock-watching careerists.
That seems very flawed - the idea that someone with *any* degree has developed some general skills that people without one won't possess is incredibly dubious. At best the degree is a filter and really it is a very crude one.
Lets say Jon has AAB from a good Grammar school and worked for 3 years (perhaps getting some professional quals in accountancy, engineering, IT, whatever...) Dwayne on the other hand got rather naff GCSE results so took a vocational course in place of A-Levels and then went on to get a 'degree' in basket weaving from London Met. Both of them turn out to be suitable police recruits, though even though Jon is perhaps the more capable candidate he's not allowed to take the same initial training route as Dwayne as he lacks a 'degree' that could come from absolutely any subject at any university.
It seems very short sighted, for decades the Army has selected people for Officer training at Sandhurst - though the majority have degrees it isn't a requirement. To enter the Army via that route requires undertaking a series of tests, interviews etc... non graduates can be selected too - the way people present and conduct themselves in interviews, planning exercises, command tasks are all important. Likewise there are plenty of people with degrees who won't get selected for officer training and will go down the enlisted route.
The firms E&Y and PwC have rather a lot of data in this area too - they've both adjusted their qualification requirements recently and put more faith in their own selection tests to find the right candidates.
Degrees and the institutions that award them vary considerably, to use them as a general filter by which people with them will undertake a different method of entry is flawed IMO. This is nothing to do with 'anti degree sentiment', I've got a degree myself and am currently a grad student at a university that is (supposedly) among the top 10 in the world.
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Let me guess - all those saying a degree is worthless either haven't got a degree or got a Desmond or Gentlemens degree?
This makes no sense. You're comparing apples and oranges here, and you know it
.Congratulations on being at a top 10 in the world (Clarkson voice) University, you could have just said that and been done with less of the post.
Further education for Police officers should lead to a higher standard of policing, and more efficient policing. The police are not making a degree the entry standard; they are going to educate police that are on the force (aside from specialised area's of the police which require degrees).
Degree's teach more then an extended specialised area of education, they are about transferable skills and methods of working, employers know this. That does not mean that all degree welding applicants are superior; to either those without degrees and experience, or even other applicants with degrees, but it does act as a bench mark for expected skill sets. Interviews; CV's; et cetera are benchmarks and interviews are used to ... interview and test if those applicants are right.
Well, while the logical question is why would a post graduate with a degree in film studies, want to go in to the police?
Would someone interested in joining the police, but wanting a degree to enter at a higher/alternative level, not study a specialised degree relevant to being in the police?
Because nowhere else will have them
Totally; no such thing as a film industry, television industry, entertainment industry et cetera... or education, phd's...
Put it this way, I know 4 very successful people involved in film. Not one of them has a film studies degree.
Got any stats to back up your assertion that they go on to get jobs in the industry? Working on a kiosk at the odeon doesn't count
Got any stats to back up your assertion that they go on to get jobs in the industry? Working on a kiosk at the odeon doesn't count
This makes no sense. You're comparing apples and oranges here, and you know it
Congratulations on being at a top 10 in the world (Clarkson voice) University, you could have just said that and been done with less of the post.
You seem to have missed the: (supposedly). It was added as you were rather lazily dismissing criticism of this form of filtering as being anti intellectual or anti degree. I can see plenty of value in having various degrees in various situations, I'm criticising the use of *any* degree as a general filter.
So why filter for the method of entry/initial training by the criteria that an applicant has *any* degree?
That is what makes no sense. As for them acting as a benchmark, no - not at all. Degree courses are incredibly varied as are degree awarding institutions - they don't provide much of a benchmark for anything.
Wait, you're asking for statistics without providing any to counter that?
.Yes, I know people with film degree's (and further degree's) involved in the film/entertainment industry too
.Sigh
.Lazily cannot read, I said there is always an anti degree / anti intellectualism element on Overclockers when topics relating to degree's 'crop' up, that was a comment on the posters in here and other threads.
Of course they are a benchmark
, in the same way a job may require a GCSE, which are also varied as is any educational institution. You start the filter process with the interview.There is much less variation in GCSEs, sure there are different exam boards but the differences are minimal. Requiring a GCSE in say English and Maths is perhaps a much more useful filter, in situations where that is used, than the idea that having *any* degree from *any* institution is a useful thing to filter with in this particular instance.