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Bent prison guards would be my guess
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Bent prison guards would be my guess
passed during contact , flown in over the wall , thrown over wall at set times etc. prison guards as a whole , are a good bunch and try to stop it.
Bent officers, visitors smuggling it in (babies nappies and secreted in male/female orifices were always popular as we couldn't search them to that level thankfully), A4 paper (kids drawings etc) sprayed with "spice" and eaten/smoked, thrown over the wall, flown by drone over the wall. Subutex (heroin substitute) would be ingested by the person who is prescribed it - they would then regurgitate it be it liquid dose or tablet and sell it for a tidy sum of money.
There is serious money to be made inside Prison with illegal drugs/mobile phones. During my years a bog standard Tesco branded mobile would fetch £350 and a smart phone with a camera was £500+.
The money would be transferred into the prisoner/prisoners family's bank accounts before the goods would be passed along, countless times we had to read letters to family members which they would beg/manipulate them into sending in money orders for £30/£50 etc etc
I was never tempted by bringing anything in, the risk of being sent to prison oneself wasn't an appealing prospect, I'm also not a scumbag.
I knew fellow officers, some who I would have backed in any situation, caught smuggling things in. I wouldn't have suspected it in a million years - the old adage of "the ones you least suspect" was so true.
There is serious money to be made inside Prison with illegal drugs/mobile phones. During my years a bog standard Tesco branded mobile would fetch £350 and a smart phone with a camera was £500+.
The money would be transferred into the prisoner/prisoners family's bank accounts before the goods would be passed along, countless times we had to read letters to family members which they would beg/manipulate them into sending in money orders for £30/£50 etc etc
I was never tempted by bringing anything in, the risk of being sent to prison oneself wasn't an appealing prospect, I'm also not a scumbag.
I knew fellow officers, some who I would have backed in any situation, caught smuggling things in. I wouldn't have suspected it in a million years - the old adage of "the ones you least suspect" was so true.
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Yeah it's very hard to do in the newer post 80's styled prisons as the windows are designed differently, you can't get your hands/fingers out and have small air holes to let in the breeze it's still manageable though, the older ones it's very easy if you have someone who can fly to a moderate standard as they have bars with normal windows behind them, some have wire mesh cages outside but they are easily broken and made to look intact.
Don't believe Liz Truss when she said in PM Question that the Prison dogs barking scare off the drones, the woman is clearly being fed upper BS if she believes that.
Don't believe Liz Truss when she said in PM Question that the Prison dogs barking scare off the drones, the woman is clearly being fed upper BS if she believes that.
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Locking ANY human up for 23+ hrs a day is stupid.
Yes these people deserve a punishment, but the brain starts to chemically change after just 7hrs in a small confined space.
Prisoners should be doing something PRODUCTIVE for gods sake. Making things, growing food for the prison, basically ANYthing to keep them occupied for the duration of their sentance.
Regardless of what they have done, sticking a human in a box for years an years does not help ANYbody.
Prisoners should be physically exhausted and should also be given SOME sense of worth, otherwise you make the already desperate and depraved even more desperate and depraved as they literally have NOTHING to live for and NOTHING to lose.
Just take a look at US prison documentaries, its horrific what humans can end up doing. Even WORSE than animals, animals look very compassionate and reasonable compared to what people in lockdown are like.
In addition, I know for a fact my mind could not deal with being in a box for 23hrs a day. If I was ever in prison in these circumstances, I would take my own life just to get away from this claustrophobic situation.
Yes these people deserve a punishment, but the brain starts to chemically change after just 7hrs in a small confined space.
Prisoners should be doing something PRODUCTIVE for gods sake. Making things, growing food for the prison, basically ANYthing to keep them occupied for the duration of their sentance.
Regardless of what they have done, sticking a human in a box for years an years does not help ANYbody.
Prisoners should be physically exhausted and should also be given SOME sense of worth, otherwise you make the already desperate and depraved even more desperate and depraved as they literally have NOTHING to live for and NOTHING to lose.
Just take a look at US prison documentaries, its horrific what humans can end up doing. Even WORSE than animals, animals look very compassionate and reasonable compared to what people in lockdown are like.
In addition, I know for a fact my mind could not deal with being in a box for 23hrs a day. If I was ever in prison in these circumstances, I would take my own life just to get away from this claustrophobic situation.
You had friends shoplifting and doing drugs. You think all of them deserve to be imprisoned?
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If they got caught for what they did and a jury decided that they deserved to go to prison then yes
Kinda interesting. It's like you're happy to be friends who do things as long as they don't get caught. Yet if they get caught your friendship doesn't really matter to you and you're happy for them to go to prison. Surely you would avoid friendship with people who run that risk.
Judging by your pc and your place on a forum I'd imagine you've watched movies or listened to music you didn't aquire with your hard earned money. Would that justify a prison sentence if you got caught?
The more prisions become privarised the more it become about the money they generate for shareholders not about rehabilitation or serving the taxpayers who need to protected from hardened criminals.
Just look at the US model and we are slowly following that, people are being arrested for wearing their trouser a certain way, fined and then when they cant or dont pay the fine imprisoned.
Trust me a ps2 or a tv doesnt make prison a nicer place to be, i did some volunteering in pentonvile and brixton and stopped becuase even that was horrible, the sense of desperation and abject hopelessness from everyone including many of the staff was depressing.
When are we going to learn that if we base essential services on money and profit it will go wrong.
Just look at the US model and we are slowly following that, people are being arrested for wearing their trouser a certain way, fined and then when they cant or dont pay the fine imprisoned.
Trust me a ps2 or a tv doesnt make prison a nicer place to be, i did some volunteering in pentonvile and brixton and stopped becuase even that was horrible, the sense of desperation and abject hopelessness from everyone including many of the staff was depressing.
When are we going to learn that if we base essential services on money and profit it will go wrong.
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1st point all of my friends are law abiding citizens, the friends that did drugs and stole where my friends when I was a young child/ teenager but as I said when they were doing things they shouldn't I CHOOSE not to do the same thing.
2nd point I don't understand how you can judge by my pc and "place on a forum" how you can make the assumption that I download illegally. I play world of warships and world of tanks which are free to play and all of my games are bought through steam, I use Apple Music for all my music requirements and have quite a large Collection of blurays and UHD discs which I paid for using my "HARD EARNED" money.
BTW I understand what you tried to do there
if I did something in the future that warranted a prison sentence then I would take the punishment on the chin
1st point all of my friends are law abiding citizens, the friends that did drugs and stole where my friends when I was a young child/ teenager but as I said when they were doing things they shouldn't I CHOOSE not to do the same thing.
2nd point I don't understand how you can judge by my pc and "place on a forum" how you can make the assumption that I download illegally. I play world of warships and world of tanks which are free to play and all of my games are bought through steam, I use Apple Music for all my music requirements and have quite a large Collection of blurays and UHD discs which I paid for using my "HARD EARNED" money.
BTW I understand what you tried to do there
I just made the assumption based on the fact that every single person I know with pcs, be it friends or colleagues, have all either downloaded or streamed a film or music at one point.
Maybe I was wrong to figure you might have done the same but I just wanted to make the point that not every little crime justifies tarring everyone with the same brush. There are many people in prison who were once decent people that fell on hard times.
They deserve at least a basic level of care. I don't agree with some of the niceties I read about prisoners getting, but even if you have a playstation to play on, life in a cell is gonna suck regardless.
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I don't disagree that everyone deserves a basic level of care and prisoners deserve to see out there time and be given a second chance to intergrate back into society, but it's the reoffenders that deserve harsher punishment and people trying to justify why the prisoners were rioting yesterday are unreal, that's the point I'm making the prisoners yesterday has a choice to get involved or not and the vast majority chose to get involved which is why I have no sympathy for those that got involved
Edit" Christ I think I used the word involved way too many times there
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The massive cost of rehabilitating them at the end?
They'd need to be taught to walk again and use thier bodies thier lungs would be scarred and damaged from the ventilattor etx.
They aren't crimes so no.
Hang on but in American prisions they are working and making something productive.
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The Looney Left.
That's because HMP Brixton is only a category C.
As somebody said already, "think of the prisoners!" The real victims are the victims themselves.
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How can you rehabilitate someone not to steal or not to attack people?
It's not like they thought this was alright prior to being sentenced, they always knew it was bad and that it would get them in trouble. What's to rehabilitate?
It's not like they thought this was alright prior to being sentenced, they always knew it was bad and that it would get them in trouble. What's to rehabilitate?
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I'm all for second chances and punishment. The idea being you learn a lesson the hard way. Lack of freedom and ability to do what you want (commit crimes?) Is punishment. In order to keep the prison wardens safe that means locking them in cells. People go on about human rights etc. What about the human rights of those people who they committed sex crimes on or worse? These are category B prisoners. BIG difference between C & D prisoners. These are people classed as a danger to the public and could be long term prisoners in there for murder.
If G4S ran it properly they would have 2 wardens per floor!
Rehabilitation is important once they've proven they can be rehabilitated. These are prisoners who cannot be trusted. Trust is earned not given.
If G4S ran it properly they would have 2 wardens per floor!
Rehabilitation is important once they've proven they can be rehabilitated. These are prisoners who cannot be trusted. Trust is earned not given.