HMP Birmingham

TellyTel · 17 Dec 2016 at 17:14

How do these riots occur, I mean don't they let prisoners out of there cell's in some sort of timed pattern so not all prisoners are in an open space at the same time so its easier for guards to manage if anything gets out of hand?

Cold_And_Miserable · 17 Dec 2016 at 17:17

Tefal said:
The massive cost of rehabilitating them at the end?

They'd need to be taught to walk again and use thier bodies thier lungs would be scarred and damaged from the ventilattor etx.

Wouldn't the cost of maintaining ICU and doctors be the real expense?

The muscular atrophy would be part of the punishment until the medical science advances enough to allow comas without the risks.
It's still far preferable to slowly rotting for 23 hours a day in a cell without any internet.

Harlequin · 17 Dec 2016 at 17:25

beachBOYken said:
How do these riots occur, I mean don't they let prisoners out of there cell's in some sort of timed pattern so not all prisoners are in an open space at the same time so its easier for guards to manage if anything gets out of hand?

Lack of staff is the usual.
2 per landing, sometimes less ; threat to staff from management that if they don't unlock (say with only 4 per wing which is below minimum, they get a red performance review), with people being locked up 23 hours a day and tension , then it can `go off` like this.

As a friend sai to me - the `screws` don't usually get hurt , only if they are an asshat towards the prisoners. When lewes went off - the officers were simply told `you have 5 minutes to leave` on unlock. They left the lansing and locked up behind them as quick as they could - pressed the alarm then it went off.

take A wing - 3 landings , so that's 6 officers, with over 100 prisoners.

nutcase · 17 Dec 2016 at 17:27

Diddums said:
I worked in HMP Brixton for about 6 months. The vast majority in there weren't rapists and murderers as sime in this thread seem to believe. They were all people who simply messed up at some point. DUI, bar fights, that kind of thing.

I did one job there as an outside contractor. Managed to set the alarm off on the way in as my escort didn't explain the procedure properly. :confused:

My job was to dismantle some of the boxed in parts of a cell to inspect within it - the resident was there and complained smashing up his cell was his job

Turns out he was in for murder but still was affable enough.

Tefal · 17 Dec 2016 at 18:10

PanMaster said:
Wouldn't the cost of maintaining ICU and doctors be the real expense?

The muscular atrophy would be part of the punishment until the medical science advances enough to allow comas without the risks.
It's still far preferable to slowly rotting for 23 hours a day in a cell without any internet.

Not really theyre healthy 1 anthestatist could watch a lot
So part of the punishment is making them bed bount for months on end in an nhs hospital?

Why not just hamstring or knee cap them in that case?

Comas always have risks ventilators damage your lungs.

The Running Man · 17 Dec 2016 at 18:19

Necklace ala battle royale that blows up if they go into the wrong zones or get out of control for the most vicious of prisoners.

Put it round their ankles if the round the neck idea seems unpalatable

Brenn47 · 17 Dec 2016 at 19:11

My mate was a prison guard in Canada, he was beaten so badly he hasn't been able to work for years and got a massive payout.

Personally I'd ban gyms in prison except exercise bikes, really doesn't help matters when the prisoners are twice the size of the guards.

Uther · 17 Dec 2016 at 19:53

Twelve hours a day on a treadmill, they'd be too tired to riot.

helpimcrap · 17 Dec 2016 at 20:02

Uther said:
Twelve hours a day on a treadmill, they'd be too tired to riot.

Or cycling to generate electricity for the local economy. Kind of like community service - they cycle and hit a certain amount they get privileges.

Solves the electricity problem as well as tiring them out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-24-hours-electricity-just-hour-exercise.html

Malevolence · 17 Dec 2016 at 20:20

Or simply bring back the crank.

LoadsaMoney · 18 Dec 2016 at 15:35

Reports Hull prisons about to go up now, where they've been trasnsferred to.

Azza · 18 Dec 2016 at 15:47

Prison Officers’ Association says jail in lockdown after 15 inmates involved in Birmingham riot torched CCTV cameras

wow

Dis86 · 18 Dec 2016 at 15:53

Bit it can't be true. They're just misunderstood innocents.

Harlequin · 18 Dec 2016 at 15:55

just spoken to a good friend - he says currently - lewes nick has 30 officers and so`s on duty - for near 800 cons.

as said - each wing for unlock should have 6 officers and an SO.... that's it.

massive understaffing is the problem

Dis86 · 18 Dec 2016 at 16:55

Harlequin said:
massive understaffing is the problem

You sure it's.not criminals? I'm pretty sure they're the problem here.

dowie · 18 Dec 2016 at 16:59

Brenn47 said:
My mate was a prison guard in Canada, he was beaten so badly he hasn't been able to work for years and got a massive payout.

Personally I'd ban gyms in prison except exercise bikes, really doesn't help matters when the prisoners are twice the size of the guards.

should be able to control their diet really

Harlequin · 18 Dec 2016 at 17:07

Dis86 said:
You sure it's.not criminals? I'm pretty sure they're the problem here.

when you have 4 staff to 100+ cons , then how do you deal with violence?

Brenn47 · 18 Dec 2016 at 17:09

Hull confirmed to be in lockdown due to rioting. :/

Dis86 · 18 Dec 2016 at 17:12

Harlequin said:
when you have 4 staff to 100+ cons , then how do you deal with violence?

Again...where does the violence originate?

RetiredGreyFox · 18 Dec 2016 at 17:18

I'm 99% sure my work colleagues husband is in Birmingham HMP and on Thursday she was using her phone so much I told her she would get RSI in her wrists. "Anyway, who are you texting every 2 minutes?"
"My husband"
"He's got a phone?"
"Yeah, most of them have".