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In 1938, my country was sold out by the west and UK to Nazi Germany who demanded annexation of huge parts of it, under the pretense that germans were living in those parts. After the war, all these germans were forcefully expelled into Germany, in order to prevent future conflicts. My own hometown used to be partially german, now is fully czech.
And it worked. Homogenity works. We have, over time, become friendly with germany, each peoples living within their own borders.
In my country, where 80% of people are atheist and there are extremely tiny amount of religious people (let alone islamists), there have been zero terrorist attacks like this.
But what is germany doing now? Importing people from vastly different ideological base and culture by the hundreds of thousands yearly. Fortunately most muslims are not terrorists. But Islam as an ideology, is simply incompatible with secularism and irreligionity. I hate to say it but these attacks will continue to happen for the next few decades, probably longer. As long as Saudi and their salafist ideology exists and is allowed to fester.

I feel so depressed. Those victims, their families..what they must be going through. It is insane. I cannot imagine what I would do if I lost someone close to me like this.
 
Yas786 said:
Interesting how 3 people were shot and injured in Zurich at an Islamic centre. Yet no one bats an eyelid, probably due to the fact that the usual bigots in here think it's sweet justice lol.
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3 people injured, reasons unknown.

30,000 a year killed specifically to increase the power of Islam.

Do you really think those are comparable?

There were ~30 people shot and killed in the USA on the same day that those 3 people were shot and injured. How much are your eyelids batting at those shootings? By your own argument, you must be a really extreme anti-American bigot.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
Its Arabs...... its an Arab cultural problem. I don,t see no Indonesian committing terrorist attacks in Europe.
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Not far off the truth, but a gross simplification.

Organisations like ISIS and Al Qaeda are/were doing what they are doing in part because they see "their" way of life being threatened by "westernification". They are essentially fighting against "change" and the perception that their culture/country is being "taken" from them by outsiders.

Much like anything, some that see this "threat" just sit there and take it, some are vocal about it and some (such as those you see on the news) take direct action and resort to violence. It's the same in pretty much every country in the world (see people in this thread), the difference is those in countries that are surrounded by violence and have been recently/are at war are more amenable to resorting to violence to "stop" this change* - one of the reasons so many from the more war torn locations in the middle east are drawn to the likes of ISIS and one of the reasons ISIS and affiliates are fighting where they are.

Luckily in the west, with a less violent recent history, most people are just use their voice, rather than violence. That unfortunately doesn't stop the odd thuggish incident, and even more unfortunately the occasional murder/mass killing in the name of "protecting" their culture from outside influence.

*And will have more ready access to weaponry that will help force change.
 
Dis86 said:
That's just one group. There are dozens.

Put it another way; 75% of all terrorism related deaths last year were by just 4 organisations

ISIS
Al qaeda
Taliban
Boko harem

Tell me.. what have those 4 got in common?
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The terrorists in all 4 groups are predominantly male? We should definitely ban males entering Europe. The open boarders has allowed an army of army of males to infiltrate western society. We should ban males u tilwe can figure what is happening, and every male already on Europe should be carefully monitored and have to carry a license.

So-called gender of peace. Why is it always makes cashing these atrocities. The stupid wet like liberals are just to afraid to blame men
 
It's totally wrong to demonise the whole religion because of the actions of these extremists. This isn't a Christian Vs Islam war, this is a war against ISIS, who seem to be at war with pretty much everyone who isn't ISIS, including other Muslims of slightly differing faiths.

They have killed a magnitude more Muslims than they have Christians, which hardly points to the Religious war against "us" that people want to make it.

We need to destroy ISIS not Islam....which unfortunately is a lot easier said than done, especially when it all ties in with countries we treat as our allies, like Saudi Arabia.

And these attacks happen because this is the main way they can fight their war on our soil. They have called for more 'lone wolf' attacks, as organised ones are being intercepted and stopped.

And we are going to see more of these attacks happen, but it does seem ludicrous to me to conflate this issue with Syrian refugees, since most of the attacks so far have been carried out by nationals and even if it was an external actor, it's not like he can't get into a county without a refugee crisis going on is it....
 
JunglistE said:
I would just like to know what ISIS actually want (assuming this has ties to them). I wonder if they even care that they're making life hell for their fellow rational Muslim brothers/sisters who are happy in the western world.
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They want an Islamic State that they can control, run on their version of what they believe Islam is, without outside influence. They are only too happy to make life hell for fellow Muslims to get their end game - either because they aren't the same sect, or indirectly because part of their aim is to insert a wedge between normal muslims and the western world - in part so they can get more recruits from disillusioned and marginalised members of society.

The reality is they care no more for most muslims than most of us do for most "christians", especially those in places like the DRC or other places in the world that are rarely in the news.
 
D.P. said:
The terrorists in all 4 groups are predominantly male?
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Predominantly male, but exclusively Muslim.
D.P. said:
We should definitely ban males entering Europe. The open boarders has allowed an army of army of males to infiltrate western society. We should ban males u tilwe can figure what is happening, and every male already on Europe should be carefully monitored and have to carry a license.

So-called gender of peace. Why is it always makes cashing these atrocities. The stupid wet like liberals are just to afraid to blame men
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This is, and I mean this in the true sense of the word, retarded.
 
Paul_cz said:
In 1938, my country was sold out by the west and UK to Nazi Germany who demanded annexation of huge parts of it, under the pretense that germans were living in those parts. After the war, all these germans were forcefully expelled into Germany, in order to prevent future conflicts. My own hometown used to be partially german, now is fully czech.
And it worked. Homogenity works. We have, over time, become friendly with germany, each peoples living within their own borders.
In my country, where 80% of people are atheist and there are extremely tiny amount of religious people (let alone islamists), there have been zero terrorist attacks like this.
But what is germany doing now? Importing people from vastly different ideological base and culture by the hundreds of thousands yearly. Fortunately most muslims are not terrorists. But Islam as an ideology, is simply incompatible with secularism and irreligionity. I hate to say it but these attacks will continue to happen for the next few decades, probably longer. As long as Saudi and their salafist ideology exists and is allowed to fester.

I feel so depressed. Those victims, their families..what they must be going through. It is insane. I cannot imagine what I would do if I lost someone close to me like this.
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Finally, someone who actually can observe reality, instead of the "deniers" in this thread.

People making excuses for this stuff are living in pure ignorance of reality, and its quite embarassing to see.

Regardless of what silly percentage of muslims are terrorists, vast swathes of Islam and its followers are totally incompatible with Western Values and ways of life.

Why people are too thick to see this, God knows.

Whether you like it or not, whether you want to argue nonsense points about how many muslims are terrorists, is just a pure distraction from the reality staring everybody in the face, which is that massive quantities of Islamic immigration has not done anything positive for Europe.

Sorry if you do not like this... but its the truth.

If I am wrong, someone please come and answer ONE simple question:-

What single positive thing has mass Islamic immigration done for Europe?

Serious question, can anyone actually name ANYthing positive about it?

Have we seen muslims furthering the causes of Science and helping us explore space?

Have we seen muslims build up depressed areas and make them BETTER?

Have we seen muslim immigration BRING DOWN Crime statistics?

Have we seen muslim immigration unify the native populations around them because they all spread peace and love, and integrate and become part of the societies they move to?

Have we seen muslim immigration create thousands of new jobs for people?

Have we seen muslim immigration generate wealth for the countries?

If anyone can tell me exactly what the positives are for millions of highly religious people who pretty much hate Pork and BEER, the two main national identities all Germans associate with, please, offer something positive.... I feel however that no one will be able to do this, but I am ready to listen and learn if there is something I am missing.
 
Lol, western countries find a way to create a war and destabilise the middle east, then find a way to keep the middle east buying western weapons, and profit off whatever they can, find a way to get huge war budgets to secure oil for years to come... then get the whole world thinking its Islam we should be afraid of... lol get a grip people.
 
dowie said:
Right because there are plenty of Sikhs and Hindu extremists carrying out similar attacks in Western cities... oh no wait
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I'm guessing you don't have much knowledge of modern Hindu history? To be fair though the media doesnt really report much in the way of attacks on Muslims by other religions or ethnic groups, so Hindu nationalism / saffron terror falls off the radar. Its very important to the western media that incidents are not categorised as an act of terrorism unless that act has a perpetrator which is Muslim, whether the injured are Muslim or not is irrelevant.

Granted I'm not disagreeing that Sikhs and Hindus are not carrying out similar attacks like you said but the western world isnt throwing bombs, flying unmanned armed aircraft aimed at destroying Hindu populations, nor are they attacking India, the UK, Canada or the USA which is where the majority of the worlds Sikhs live.

I mean, the western world doesnt care about dropping bombs the Middle East and Asia... its been doing so for a hell of a long time, why arn't we all called Christian radicals. I guess we are just better at bigotry :P
 
Sky news:
Security sources suggest the driver of the lorry which crashed into a Berlin Christmas market was an asylum seeker from Afghanistan or Pakistan
 
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