Truck crashes into Christmas market in Berlin

Danthus · 20 Dec 2016 at 13:57

Lets put the semantics to one side, whatever you call them, they operate in this country and the treat women horrendously.

ak22 · 20 Dec 2016 at 13:58

OldCoals said:

Does not matter how many videos your post, they have no legal standing over the U.K law.....

dowie · 20 Dec 2016 at 13:58

mid_gen said:
It's not law. It's a bunch of people choosing to settle their disputes according to some arbitrary rules.

It's no more law than the rules of a D&D game are law.

Important distinction.

'choosing' isn't always the case given the community/family pressure some are under to conform

comparing it to rules in a D&D game is both naive and silly, these are real arbitration services with a real impact on people's lives

SexyGreyFox · 20 Dec 2016 at 13:58

ak22 said:
No their is not... we are in England we following the law of the land

Hmm, I'm a fence sitter but boy are you wrong.
My work colleague recently had a Sharia wedding that is recognised by the Muslim community but not UK. My Manager had both a Sharia and a UK wedding.
My work colleagues brother was caught having sex in the local mosque and he had to attend a Sharia court where he was ordered to do 100 hours community service. Her husband had to attend because of fighting and drinking alcohol.

Dis86 · 20 Dec 2016 at 13:59

ak22 said:
Does not matter how many videos your post, they have no legal standing over the U.K law.....

Doesn't matter how much you deny it. To Muslims they obviously mean something otherwise they wouldn't go to them would they?

Durrrrrr.

dowie · 20 Dec 2016 at 13:59

ak22 said:
Does not matter how many videos your post, they have no legal standing over the U.K law.....

missing the point...

Casdawer · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:00

StriderX said:
How?

The guy ran over 12 people and injured dozens more, doesnt look innocent to me.

Housey said:
No it doesn't and if you really believe that you need to have a word with yourself. Proof is formed from evidence and, to my point, sometimes the evidence doesn't need to wait for a court of the good unless you're PC. A load of jet liners crash into tall buildings, let's not conclude the likely as a court hasn't ruled. That is really your justification in such incidents? I am all for not jumping to conclusions, but not when to most rationale minds it's blindingly obvious once you get a broader perspective from those on the scene.

What I mean by what I said was that we cannot jump to the to the conclusion that this was a Islamist terrorist attack without the evidence.

It could have been tragic traffic accident when it was first reported but every news station was already saying it was a terrorist attack and even the BBC were goading one eye witness to confirm it was a terrorist attack.

Heck, it could have been another terrorist group with different motivations but nope, must be dem Muslims again.

dowie said:
I'm not sure that destabalising the region is their goal so much as it is a product of some of their actions

What are you referring to re: the East?

Maybe not, but they're managing to get some very cheap oil from there right now.

And by the East I mean mostly Russia.

dowie · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:01

Casdawer said:
Maybe not, but they're managing to get some very cheap oil from there right now.

Saudi Arabia is a oil exporter, they're not getting cheap oil from anywhere lease AFAIK :confused:

Leprechaun312 · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:01

mid_gen said:
It's not law. It's a bunch of people choosing to settle their disputes according to some arbitrary rules.

It's no more law than the rules of a D&D game are law.

Important distinction.

ah you missed the sarcasm

Decisions in the Sharia Courts, if the 2 parties involved signed a contract afterwards agreeing to the outcome of the court and as long as the outcome did not violate any UK laws or Human rights etc Would that not make it a legal document?

Arazi · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:02

Uther said:
Weird that some peoples first thoughts are to defend a religion rather than think about the victims of an attack.

That is quite common in here, hand wringers.

Danthus · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:02

ak22 said:
Does not matter how many videos your post, they have no legal standing over the U.K law.....

That video shows a women who had a civil divorce but the Sharia Court ignored that and spent ten years trying to get her back together with her "husband".

So what we have is some Muslims in this country ignoring the law.

Rincewindle · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:03

ak22 said:
Does not matter how many videos your post, they have no legal standing over the U.K law.....

watch the video....

The husband treats her like rubbish

Does nothing in the house and sleeps all day.

She has to ask the beardy guy for a sharia divorce because she married under a sharia ceremony and not an English civil ceremony.

He has refused to grant it for over a year and keeps saying one more month one more month....

so she is trapped cant get a divorce no matter what her husband does.

And people like you spout the same rubbish about there being no sharia law in the uk LOL

Tummy · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:03

No, this forums anti muslim obsession is boring.

There is no Sharia law in the United Kingdom.

It is a council that allows people of religions to settle their disputes, or 'problems' with consultation with religious leaders. I am sure you will find that there are many other religious people that will go to their religious leaders for council, advice on how to deal with their problems.

These religious councils exist in every religion, but because these ones are muslim there is obviously a problem, ergo, trying to impose 'Sharia' 'law' on to the United Kingdom.

TS7 · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:03

SexyGreyFox said:
Hmm, I'm a fence sitter but boy are you wrong.
My work colleague recently had a Sharia wedding that is recognised by the Muslim community but not UK. My Manager had both a Sharia and a UK wedding.
My work colleagues brother was caught having sex in the local mosque and he had to attend a Sharia court where he was ordered to do 100 hours community service. Her husband had to attend because of fighting and drinking alcohol.

But that's like any religious wedding. You have the religious ceremony which is recognised from religion perspective and the legal marriage registery.

Danthus · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:05

Are you a Muslim Tummy?

Tummy · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:05

Rincewindle said:
watch the video....

The husband treats her like rubbish

Does nothing in the house and sleeps all day.

She has to ask the beardy guy for a sharia divorce because she married under a sharia ceremony and not an English civil ceremony.

He has refused to grant it for over a year and keeps saying one more month one more month....

so she is trapped cant get a divorce no matter what her husband does.

And people like you spout the same rubbish about there being no sharia law in the uk LOL

Eh? She is not legally married to him unless the coupled carried out an English civil marriage.

mid_gen · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:05

dowie said:
'choosing' isn't always the case given the community/family pressure some are under to conform

Tough. The laws of the land will protect them if they feel they are being mistreated, they know this, they have the option.

As we're so proud of saying, it's a free country. You can't protect people from their own stupidity.

Danthus · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:06

Tummy said:
No, this forums anti muslim obsession is boring.

I have no more time for Islam than I do Catholicism or Judaism.

CREATIVE!11 · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:06

Housey said:
The issue with political correctness, is those inflicted with it feel a need to rush to the defence of any group or individual who they feel isn't getting a fair hearing or is at the end of ill feeling. That's all well and good, but frankly too often it means blinkered arguments that seek to rationalise and justify things to the detriment of the blindingly obvious and seek to redirect irrational behaviour on the basis of a 'yea but' argument. It is a cancer on modern society and because of it we now have a black and white nation who can only argue based on diametrically opposed views. Rational argument and the blindingly obvious become abhorrent to the PC and bigot and it simply makes these debates a them and us argument that removes the point at hand and makes it a 'i'm going to learn you good' debate that ends up miles away at the aforementioned blindingly obvious.

Every single thread on terrorism demonstrates that, be it here or anywhere and we always get the same "let's not jump to conclusions when it usually ends up being the blindingly obvious" because that is the PC way and we may upset a *********.

Feels before the reals.

Lets just ignore the facts because, mah feelinz.

ak22 · 20 Dec 2016 at 14:06

Rincewindle said:
watch the video....

The husband treats her like rubbish

Does nothing in the house and sleeps all day.

She has to ask the beardy guy for a sharia divorce because she married under a sharia ceremony and not an English civil ceremony.

He has refused to grant it for over a year and keeps saying one more month one more month....

so she is trapped cant get a divorce no matter what her husband does.

And people like you spout the same rubbish about there being no sharia law in the uk LOL

I said their is now Sharia law in U.K, e.i enforced by U.K government, police etc.