Where did I say anything about immunity?
Do you think that there being laws against murder makes everyone in the UK immune to murder? 500-odd people a year would beg to disagree with you.
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Where did I say anything about immunity?
Do you think that there being laws against murder makes everyone in the UK immune to murder? 500-odd people a year would beg to disagree with you.
Here it is guys.
Everyone edit their posts to RIP and nothing else.
Let's not talk about the issues causing things instead we should wallow in inaction.
Well said.
Same old crap from certain posters, it's a minority, its not religion blah blah blah, i am sick of the same old waffle, minority my arse, can someone tell me that if this minority is just 1% of the total muslims worldwide, what figure do you get for that 1%, yeah it's a minority isnt it.
Bunch of hand wringing apologists.
Where I quoted you directly:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30328604&postcount=519
This is what I'm referring to in my reply to mid_gen here:
There is no legal protection against being disowned by your family or shunned by your community. You can't legally force people to treat people in a specific way only legislate against certain acts.
What option do you have? Simple choice, difficult choice, it's still their choice. What can the state do about it?
I think the whole idea is completely daft but it is just one of those times that people just have to be left to deal with the own life decisions.
Alright.
If it's illegal to murder someone, does that mean that murder is therefore impossible?
Considering that then, your comment is pretty pointless, these woman particularly in big mini-village communities have no options otherwise they are at threat of death or dishonouring their family unit.
You can spout "the law protects you" all you want, but it's all in the mind.
Probably won't be, the fact Merkel even said it was a farce to keep cosy with her voters.
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They call them sharia "councils" to soften their implication and their organisers are trying their damnedest to introduce sharia law as a subset of UK law. The Liberals are crazy enough to be actually discussing this... They have legal standing amongst their supporters, and at a local level they operate as courts to a supplicant subset of citizens.
But it's not legal to murder anyone in any country. Other than state sponsored executions, murder is universally illegal. Also, in case you ask, euthanasia is not murder.
Regardless as long as you, a muslim woman, is entrenched within a backward community, you better follow their rules or else.
It doesnt matter that they live in the UK, they will just hide it within their little enclaves and we are non-the-wiser.
Monitor them closely, shut down some 'courts' in certain instances.
Hell no, shut them all down.
We should only have an equal-for-all arbitration service by law.
This is the post I quoted.
There's no mention of disowning there; just about 'pressuring' people which you can legally get help with.
You can change your mind about which posts all you like.
I'm not changing my mind, I'm explaining what I was referring to by community/family pressure. The previous post was even directly quoting you so I wouldn't have thought this was needed, it was only a page or two ago.
And no you can't necessarily get help with being 'pressured', especially not in the context where that pressure is simply the knowledge that you'll be disowned.
And no you can't necessarily get help with being 'pressured', especially not in the context where that pressure is simply the knowledge that you'll be disowned.
Err what?
It is illegal to murder someone, yes.
If someone feels under threat of violence, then absolutely you can get help, for example calling the police
.I REALLY do not understand what you're talking a bout here.
They are not 'court(s)'.
If you were to monitor them, and shut them down. I hope that you would want the same for all religious councils, or is it just the muslim councils?
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If this Pakistani they cited as the driver proves innocent of this monstrous crime, will he be deported as a criminal and illegal alien, or given compo and abjectly apologised to, even martyred, I have to wonder? I have asked twice why Pakistanis are being offered refugee status on European soil in this thread, yet all goes quiet. Are the thousands illegally entering European countries as plastic refugees another subject to be swept under the carpet? Too none PC for discussion? So prevalent that discussion might draw unwanted attention to what I am rapidly learning is a major source of illegal aliens, stealing places from genuine refugees, as insidiously as stealing from the collection plates of charities and churches? The figure of 80% of refugees claiming asylum in Germany claiming to have "lost" any papers showing their true identity and origin is risible, and a much more Draconian stance needs taking against this almost school boy like excuse.
How? 24/7 surveillance in every room of every church, synagogue, mosque in the land to make sure no-one is surreptitiously seeking advice from a community leader?
It's a total non-starter. You can't legislate against families putting pressure on people.
I'm not claiming they are, please try to read my posts in context, you seem to have some sort of selective amnesia. I'm fully aware of what they are as you can quite clearly see in the posts you've quoted previously.
Yes I'd hope so.
Monitoring doesn't have to involve 24/7 surveillance, you're choosing to interpret a rather extreme and unrealistic approach in an attempt to dismiss the idea.
I've not claimed you can, in fact I'm stating exactly that. Thus the issue with Sharia courts and the 'choice' to use them. Therefore a different approach is necessary - including monitoring them and shutting some down if necessary.
I'm once again exasperated with this futile attempt to stop these threads from becoming muslim bashing.
Not all muslims are to blame for the actions of a few terrorists, extremists who hide behind religion. In the same way not all Christians are to blame when a Christian kills people in an abortion clinic. Not all refugee's are terrorists/extremists, many are trying to escape those people.
I like this forum, but it is so off putting reading some of the 'views' expressed here, such hatred for entire sections of people based on nothing but their creed, birthplace, et cetera.
So meh, I'm done.
It's a huge tragedy what happened in Germany. Solidarity in the face of adversity. Worrying about terrorism means that they are winning, dividing people means that they are winning. Acts of violence only fuels their cause and invited more to join the terrorists.
Not all muslims are to blame for the actions of a few terrorists, extremists who hide behind religion. In the same way not all Christians are to blame when a Christian kills people in an abortion clinic. Not all refugee's are terrorists/extremists, many are trying to escape those people.
I like this forum, but it is so off putting reading some of the 'views' expressed here, such hatred for entire sections of people based on nothing but their creed, birthplace, et cetera.
So meh, I'm done.
It's a huge tragedy what happened in Germany. Solidarity in the face of adversity. Worrying about terrorism means that they are winning, dividing people means that they are winning. Acts of violence only fuels their cause and invited more to join the terrorists.
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