Is anyone elses default stance on people a negative one?

I have a fairly negative default view towards people - and with good reason - but I also try to keep in mind that as above life isn't black and white and for every few person who are in a position due to factors that are within their control there is another person who is a victim of circumstances and/or realistically have far less control of their circumstances.

Why people are homeless is a hugely complex story and many do choose to continue that life despite there being paths for them to get away - for some it might be a case of needing help to get on those paths for others it might be something very different.
 
terley said:
Don't really see the need, but if you wish..

No house, no family home i could stay at, no friends house i could stay at, no hostel i could use and no access to any council housing.

Homeless as in, on the streets with whatever i could carry.
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Just because you were made homeless by deserving your "lot in life for making **** poor decisions and ending up in the mess they find themselves by their own lack of character..." doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.
 
Whatever the reasons, society has managed to make it illegal to live just about anywhere that would be cheap or free.
Society thus has an obligation to provide an alternative rather than just moving people on, even if you have those people £500 or £50000 it would not solve the problem.
 
terley said:
Where are the acts of kindness for the 60 hour a week working dad who works his hands to the bone to put food on the table for his kids and barely gets 5 minutes to himself?
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Using your own logic: that dad should have made better decisions which wouldn't need him to work 60 hours a week, perhaps he shouldn't have had kids?

See what I mean?
 
terley said:
Where are the acts of kindness for the 60 hour a week working dad who works his hands to the bone to put food on the table for his kids and barely gets 5 minutes to himself?
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Well tbh they deserve their lot in life for making **** poor decisions and ending up in the mess they find themselves by their own lack of character...

Gigabit said:
I was told by a Christian charity to never, under any circumstances, give money to homeless people. Food is fine but money should go to a charity.
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That's because the church wants to control all charity - to them it's a business. Homeless charities will tell you much the same. **** 'em I say. I'm quite capable of managing my own charitable donations - I don't need a charity corporation with a CEO on £100k to decide how to spend it for me.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
That's because the church wants to control all charity - to them it's a business. Homeless charities will tell you much the same. **** 'em I say. I'm quite capable of managing my own charitable donations - I don't need a charity corporation with a CEO on £100k to decide how to spend it for me.
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Well the money you give is completely wasted then as many times it will be funding their drug or alcohol habit, if they are homeless at all.
 
I genuinely find most beggars near me (not very many I'll add), always look quite dangerous and so I would never give them anything.

I do genuinely believe that people should take responsibility for their own actions rather than just asking others for help. That may sound horrible but you have to look at the reasons you're homeless and then do something about it.
 
Slam62 said:
Whatever the reasons, society has managed to make it illegal to live just about anywhere that would be cheap or free.
Society thus has an obligation to provide an alternative rather than just moving people on, even if you have those people £500 or £50000 it would not solve the problem.
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There are too many people alive today to allow people to live "off-grid". Because off-grid living means you still generate waste like the rest of us, but you lack the resources to deal with it properly. Worse, you also have to plunder all the local resources you can find, to make up for the lack of energy, food etc delivered by the grid.

Let everybody do that and everywhere would be ruined very quickly. Then people would end up killing each other :p

Micro-generation of electricity is a great idea, but for everything else, the sheer number of people in the world demands we organise services like energy supply, waste handling, etc.

The fact is, we can only sustain the stupendous populations we have in the West by living on-grid. Not that that's a good thing, it's just how it is. There are far too many of us.
 
As a 14 year old, my dad and step mum split up, I (and he) were effectively made homeless overnight.

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Had I foreseen that position I would have started work in the workhouse, unfortunately the ruling liberal elite had foolishly closed them all and enforced schooling for children.
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As it was, My dad and I moved into a small flat with my sister/brother in law and 2 children for a year or so.

I then finished school/did A levels and went to university/got a job, after house shares, I then privately rented a flat with my girlfriend.

At that time, the early 90s IF you qualified for a university course, you still could qualify for a reasonable grant. Council housing was a thing, waiting lists were long but manageable etc.

Frankly in modern Britain I would be very careful before suggesting that people who are homeless have only themselves to blame. I guess along with the rise of zero hour contract jobs, destruction of social housing schemes, the ridiculous cost of university/student loans, thousands of food banks and the decimation of nearly all state services in general, we are at last, fully implementing Thatchers vision of a return to Victorian Values in Britain.

What was it more Current conservatives said, they want us to work more like China. Let's put the suicide netting on our factories and be done with it!
 
I'll give to charity but never ever in the street. I just don't trust anyone not to blow it on fags, booze or drugs.
 
The art of misanthropy has a long and proud history, but if you judge those less fortunate than yourself immediately, without knowing them and their circumstances at all, then you've indeed acquired a humanity bypass.

Yes, you can take responsibility and do something about your condition, but you also have to play the cards the system dealt you and survive day-to-day. Mental health, poverty, effects of war, personal tragedies, etc aren't fixed overnight.

stewski said:
Frankly in modern Britain I would be very careful before suggesting that people who are homeless have only themselves to blame. I guess along with the rise of zero hour contract jobs, destruction of social housing schemes, the ridiculous cost of university/student loans, thousands of food banks and the decimation of nearly all state services in general, we are at last, fully implementing Thatchers vision of a return to Victorian Values in Britain.

What was it more Current conservatives said, they want us to work more like China. Let's put the suicide netting on our factories and be done with it!
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Say thanks to negative liberty (yes, such a thing does exist!).
 
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stewski said:
As a 14 year old, my dad and step mum split up, I (and he) were effectively made homeless overnight.

<Sarcasm>
Had I foreseen that position I would have started work in the workhouse, unfortunately the ruling liberal elite had foolishly closed them all and enforced schooling for children.
</Sarcasm>

As it was, My dad and I moved into a small flat with my sister/brother in law and 2 children for a year or so.

I then finished school/did A levels and went to university/got a job, after house shares, I then privately rented a flat with my girlfriend.

At that time, the early 90s IF you qualified for a university course, you still could qualify for a reasonable grant. Council housing was a thing, waiting lists were long but manageable etc.

Frankly in modern Britain I would be very careful before suggesting that people who are homeless have only themselves to blame. I guess along with the rise of zero hour contract jobs, destruction of social housing schemes, the ridiculous cost of university/student loans, thousands of food banks and the decimation of nearly all state services in general, we are at last, fully implementing Thatchers vision of a return to Victorian Values in Britain.

What was it more Current conservatives said, they want us to work more like China. Let's put the suicide netting on our factories and be done with it!
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The zero hour contract thing has been spun by the media as to portray it as a demon of all contracts.

Some things you need to remember about them


  • If you have worked there for 6 months then you cannot legally be dropped to zero hours - you will win in court every time.
  • Zero hour contracts protects small businesses from potential bankruptcy in the event of a change in business.
  • Zero hour contracts allow for flexibility.

I was a store manager of over 50 staff all on zero hour contracts, Not once did i need to drop anyone to Zero hours, even if i wanted to.. i couldn't.

My brother was due to be married in las vegas, and i was asked 1 week before if i wanted to go.. In a salaried job you wouldn't be able to without booking time off, as i was on a zero hour contract (earning £40k a year) i could just take the time off unpaid without holidays..

Zero hour contracts dont exploit the worker.
 
FoxEye said:
There are too many people alive today to allow people to live "off-grid". Because off-grid living means you still generate waste like the rest of us, but you lack the resources to deal with it properly. Worse, you also have to plunder all the local resources you can find, to make up for the lack of energy, food etc delivered by the grid.

Let everybody do that and everywhere would be ruined very quickly. Then people would end up killing each other :p

Micro-generation of electricity is a great idea, but for everything else, the sheer number of people in the world demands we organise services like energy supply, waste handling, etc.

The fact is, we can only sustain the stupendous populations we have in the West by living on-grid. Not that that's a good thing, it's just how it is. There are far too many of us.
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I can see your point, but society has to accept that some people for whatever reason end up in a situation where they cannot look after themselves.

The choice is let them die on the street and then find their relatives and make them pay for burial or reconstruct them as contributors to society.
At the moment we operate in some sort of 10% of the way house whereby charities just about cope.
 
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