I don't understand racism or homophobia
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How have you taken 2 and 3 to suggest only white people can be racist. The post you quoted left colour completely out of it
"The area they live in has little to no people of colour"
"Or they had one bad experience with a person of colour"
So was mine. But that was in the 70's. I also went to a secondary school with approximately 740 white caucasian kids, 1 lad from Pakistan, 1 lad with afro-caribbean/white caucasian parents and a girl from Japan. You can probably imagine the amount of racist **** taking that went on! Especially in deepest darkest Somerset in the '80's. "NF" and swastikas were often scratched into desks etc etc etc. I suspect this was endemic in the UK in the poorer areas at that time.
I don't have anything to do with the education system these days but I can imagine (and would hope) that such behaviour is stamped out quite quickly.
What was interesting though, is that despite the bullying - the racial aspect of it was never really challenged or addressed. There was one lad in particular who was particularly vocal and might have been pulled aside once or twice by the head but that was more due to his disruptive nature than his views.
Odd.
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The mental differences are much more likely born from a culture we created rather than anything caused by genetics. Higher proportion of violent crime in black communities are likely to be due to the communities being poorer, more desperate, policed less or a fashionable culture as much as anything someone inherits from birth.
Why do you think there are mental differences? Upon what do you base that?
Are those differences likely to be as 'obvious' as the fractions of seconds offered in sprinting events between highly conditioned athletes? Or would it be more like the 'obvious' difference in athletic performance by non-highly conditioned ordinary members of the public?
Or is it just obvious that they look different?
I don't believe it's entirely down to social issues. Being poor isn't an excuse for violent crime, and neither is being policed less (there are affluent areas that are hardly policed either).
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I faced a fair amount of racism growing up in a predominantly white yet middle class area. It became far less common as more minorities moved in integrated and mixed with the locals. Though this year i have seen a significant increase in people being openly racist since migrants have been the hot topic.
While some people have genuine concerns of migrants, some more ignorant of society associate any foreign looking people with migrants and just use the fears behind them as an excuse to justify their racism. An example would be this year late in the summer i had people heckling me just after the referendum on the way home from work. They shouted at me asking me where i was from, to which i replied in the queens english with the town i live in. They then proceeded to tell me to' **** off back to **** land (despite my parents being no where from near Pakistan) and laughing calling out 'Muslim ****'. After experiencing similar incidents like that a few times this year, something i have not encountered since i was a teenager, i figured that some people are just knobs and will use any excuse or acceptable mentality of a mob to justify their own personal prejudices. The funny thing is that i clearly looked like a guy coming home from work in a three peice suit and they looked like do nothing scum and probably reinforced the prejudice people who were around at the time, have against the chavy ******** of society.
No but if you are poor, policed less and there are gangs around making money from breaking the law and making the lifestyle seem appealing to other desperate youths who have yet to enter the lifestyle, it will most likely increase the likely hood of people entering gang life.
If you remove the desperation and the gangs advertising such a lifestyle, then obviously the appeal to lead such a life lessens. You can see that in some places people join gangs for as much as a place to belong and people to be with as much as anything else, because their cousin/brother/uncle or whatever is part of the gang and they feel some sort of kinship with them and who they associate with.
While some people have genuine concerns of migrants, some more ignorant of society associate any foreign looking people with migrants and just use the fears behind them as an excuse to justify their racism. An example would be this year late in the summer i had people heckling me just after the referendum on the way home from work. They shouted at me asking me where i was from, to which i replied in the queens english with the town i live in. They then proceeded to tell me to' **** off back to **** land (despite my parents being no where from near Pakistan) and laughing calling out 'Muslim ****'. After experiencing similar incidents like that a few times this year, something i have not encountered since i was a teenager, i figured that some people are just knobs and will use any excuse or acceptable mentality of a mob to justify their own personal prejudices. The funny thing is that i clearly looked like a guy coming home from work in a three peice suit and they looked like do nothing scum and probably reinforced the prejudice people who were around at the time, have against the chavy ******** of society.
No but if you are poor, policed less and there are gangs around making money from breaking the law and making the lifestyle seem appealing to other desperate youths who have yet to enter the lifestyle, it will most likely increase the likely hood of people entering gang life.
If you remove the desperation and the gangs advertising such a lifestyle, then obviously the appeal to lead such a life lessens. You can see that in some places people join gangs for as much as a place to belong and people to be with as much as anything else, because their cousin/brother/uncle or whatever is part of the gang and they feel some sort of kinship with them and who they associate with.
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I'd agree but purporting not to understand it on an internet forum when blatantly they are concepts we all understand is virtue signalling.
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Oh please. I've dated woman of all colours and different shades. Not everyone twattishly plays on words that mean no offence.
"The area they live in has little to no people of colour"
"Or they had one bad experience with a person of colour"
Again, that in no way implies only white people can be racist.
"The area they live in has little to no people of colour" - Could be a Black Person living in a predominately Black neighbourhood
"Or they had one bad experience with a person of colour" - Maybe a white person stepped on a Black guys shoes and now he has an issue with the entire race.
So yeah, I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion his statements were exclusive to white people.
Because our physical state dictates our mental state. For example at a mundane level people get grouchy when they are hungry. People with high testosterone eliminate themselves from the gene pool via crime.
If you took the planet and shook it around like a giant snow globe to see how civilisation settled, how do you think it would turn out? To me that is basically what history and natural selection has done.
What I find truly amusing about any kind of discrimination is when the bigots feel compelled to bend the definitions and meanings of discriminatory words or phrases like a willow branch such that they absolve themselves of discriminating in the first place.
Watching the cognitive dissonance unfold is more fascinating than any firework display.
Watching the cognitive dissonance unfold is more fascinating than any firework display.
You mentioned higher proportion of violent crime in black communities. Can you explain why the black community has the gang culture? I get that it's perpetuating from earlier times, but if the cycle hasn't been broken from within then that's going back to my earlier point of mental differences.
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But our physical state is not fully determined by our genetics. Circumstance determines what mood we are in more so than anything else. If you put people in circumstances which generally have them producing chemicals which make them angry and violent, you wouldn't say they are born angry or violent or that those people are angry due to genes. If it was really that simple, scientists would have categorised races by personality, as that has been studied in great depth for years far before this push for political correctness.
Gang culture is fashionable. It is kept fashionable by huge money making industries such as music and to a lesser extent brands of clothing/alcohol which associate luxuries with success in a gang. This marketing creates much more of an effect on mentality than genetics or anything inherited.
In Italy, gang culture is completely different but it is still prevalent and is also associated with economic success and power. You wont find a race with a greater hatred for organised crimes and gangs as you will in Italy as they have lived with the problems and have seen it break the country but you can bet if you go to certain communities you will find young men try to enter the criminal communities because they see it as a way to success.
I believe gang culture has roots in tribal culture that we came from but i dont believe at all that one race is more prone to join a gang than another based on something you inherit from birth.
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Again, that in no way implies only white people can be racist.
"The area they live in has little to no people of colour" - Could be a Black Person living in a predominately Black neighbourhood
"Or they had one bad experience with a person of colour" - Maybe a white person stepped on a Black guys shoes and now he has an issue with the entire race.
So yeah, I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion his statements were exclusive to white people.
A Black Person living in an area of little to no people of colour being racist to people of colour living in a predominately Black neighbourhood - gotcha
A white person stood on a Black guys shoes has a issues with people of colour - gotcha
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I'm super tolerant as I'm yet to kill someone based on their race, religious beliefs or sexuality.
I like to think that the core of bad human nature is just that - nature. Obviously this is no justification as our highly evolved self consciousness and empathy should block this out, but i feel this is where people fall wrong.
Just like domestic dogs and cats have the genetically programmed urge to hunt, we still have a tribal background which wants to be both part of a group and have 'enemies'; those who are different. Back when we were apes, it would be simple families, and then tribes in the early human ages. Humans constantly fought to make their tribe the best by trying to eliminate others.
Fast forward to today and this is still rife, progressing onto wars which are often over religion or beliefs. In sport you always have 'us' and 'them', whether it be cities, districts, countries, continents playing against each other. There is even a slight tongue in cheek north/south divide in England which will likely have stemmed from the same behavior.
Thankfully the information age is upon us and these tribal walls are falling because of it. We can see what everyone is doing at any point, speak to anyone anywhere and realise that we're all a bit flawed, but essentially the same floating on one big rock in space.
Just like domestic dogs and cats have the genetically programmed urge to hunt, we still have a tribal background which wants to be both part of a group and have 'enemies'; those who are different. Back when we were apes, it would be simple families, and then tribes in the early human ages. Humans constantly fought to make their tribe the best by trying to eliminate others.
Fast forward to today and this is still rife, progressing onto wars which are often over religion or beliefs. In sport you always have 'us' and 'them', whether it be cities, districts, countries, continents playing against each other. There is even a slight tongue in cheek north/south divide in England which will likely have stemmed from the same behavior.
Thankfully the information age is upon us and these tribal walls are falling because of it. We can see what everyone is doing at any point, speak to anyone anywhere and realise that we're all a bit flawed, but essentially the same floating on one big rock in space.
I don't even understand the point you're now trying to make. Because I didn't/forgot to captalise the W in white. I'm not even sure I should have been captalising any of it.
But the post you originally quoted wasn't singling out any race so I just don't understand how you came to your conclusion
You're twisting my words. Both of the examples I said can be used to show a black/brown/yellow/green person being racist. Your hang up seems to be the world colour.
But the post you originally quoted wasn't singling out any race so I just don't understand how you came to your conclusion
You're twisting my words. Both of the examples I said can be used to show a black/brown/yellow/green person being racist. Your hang up seems to be the world colour.
