Can employer stipulate this or is it against working time regs?

£30k for 50hrs - you're having a laugh, that's only 1.6x min wage! I'd want triple that on a salary to even consider that level of work.

Most hgv drivers get paid that. I know several haulage firms and the going rate for a 50+ working week is £30k if you are lucky.
 
It's all well and good having a well paid job, but if the work/life balance is **** (typically anything over 45+). You'll have all this money, but no time to actually spend it.

I can see the appeal with people doing these sorts of jobs for maybe a couple of years, but eventually you'd burn out.
 
It's all well and good having a well paid job, but if the work/life balance is **** (typically anything over 45+). You'll have all this money, but no time to actually spend it.

I can see the appeal with people doing these sorts of jobs for maybe a couple of years, but eventually you'd burn out.

I find that as I get older that equation is swung firmly towards life.

I suppose its as your wages rise that now, so long as I have enough to live on, the shorter working hours the better.

When you are younger the number of jobs available paying big money is sparse unless you do silly hours.

I used to work with a guy 15 years ago who worked 80 hours every week including sat/sun every other weekend and earnt about £50k

He said he knew he couldnt do it all his life but said in 7 years he would be mortgage free and then just get a job doing 40 hours a week.
 
I find that as I get older that equation is swung firmly towards life.

I suppose its as your wages rise that now, so long as I have enough to live on, the shorter working hours the better.

When you are younger the number of jobs available paying big money is sparse unless you do silly hours.

I used to work with a guy 15 years ago who worked 80 hours every week including sat/sun every other weekend and earnt about £50k

He said he knew he couldnt do it all his life but said in 7 years he would be mortgage free and then just get a job doing 40 hours a week.


yeah that's my plan too, earning as much as I can within 1-2 years then have higher deposite for a house (therefore less mortage to pay off) then cut down hours, and only paying £250 PM mortage than £550 (plus less interest)
 
Depends on the job. I have had jobs where I have got up at 2am to drive to Exeter for a meeting at 8.30am and didnt get home until midnight. But i was highly paid on a salary.

In that situation you leave the afternoon before and stay in a hotel that night.

At least that's what was standard for my old company (and that was a well paid job).
 
Employers that pull this kind of "loophole" stuff from the get go aren't worth working for regardless of salaries they advertise. Same with the "clever" scrooges counting Christmas, Easter and bank holidays towards 28 days of paid holiday. If they are so desperate to cheat you out of few hours of travel or Boxing Day, then just think what they will start coming up with once they have you on payroll.

Meanwhile in the evil EU French set an European precedence for 'right to disconnect' from emails and phone calls out of business hours...
 
I enjoy the output-based work policy of my current employer. My colleagues and I are salaried with an expected 40 hour work week, but our time is not closely monitored. As long as we are getting our work done and attending all our meetings (in-person or remotely), no one really bats an eyelid as to when you come and go. Some people in my office don't come in until lunchtime, but they'll work until the late evening.

When I was working for my current employer in the UK, the contractual stipulation was 37.5 hours per working week, but the flexible working policy was also in effect there. I was working in a small team in the UK, as part of a large(r) US-based team. Due to the eight hour time difference between the UK and the US west coast, one of my UK colleagues and I used to sometimes work unconventional hours. On some days, we wouldn't come into the office until midday or later, but we'd likely work until the (very) late/early hours. In return for this sacrifice in work-life balance, we were well paid (by UK standards) and our small UK-based team of four had a generous international travel budget. :D I did this for 18 months before I got relocated to the USA, and I really enjoyed the experience. My team and I were building cool (software) stuff and having a blast traveling in (relative) luxury on the company's dime. :)
 
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In that situation you leave the afternoon before and stay in a hotel that night.

At least that's what was standard for my old company (and that was a well paid job).

Would be for a normal company but that would mean you missed work the afternoon before so wasn't acceptable.

Was a 7 hour drive back home that night. Home to home was 22 hrs
 
Same with the "clever" scrooges counting Christmas, Easter and bank holidays towards 28 days of paid holiday. If they are so desperate to cheat you out of few hours of travel or Boxing Day, then just think what they will start coming up with once they have you on payroll. .

Standard? 28 days holiday includes the bank holidays at the vast majority of employers.
 
Would be for a normal company but that would mean you missed work the afternoon before so wasn't acceptable.

Was a 7 hour drive back home that night. Home to home was 22 hrs

I hope you told them to shove it in the end then.
 
Friend of mine has been offered a job, contract states home is place of work and he'll be visiting clients in an area that covers stoke to scotland, over to north wales, IOM & northern ireland.

it's a 35hr contract but when the travel time was queried (own time or company time) the answer given was:
"we expect 7hrs of work each day, when travelling to appointments away from home it is reasonable for the 7 hrs to start at the beginning of the first appointment and end when leaving the last appointment. This means travel is in the employees own time."

to me this is exactly what the new working time directive thing was about, that travel time is classed as company time.
the contract states there is no overtime paid and no flexi time either.

The worry is obviously a supposed 35hr contract ends up 50hrs.

Thoughts/advice?

He's tempted to email back and explain the concerns possibly with links to working time directive.

You appear to not understand how the working time directive works.
 
I disagree, imo that's not a healthy work/life balance, personally I'd rather do a normal 37.5hr week for the £20k and actually have a life

Yes of course people would like a good work life balance, but hey get this people in the world have crap jobs and always will do, not everyone has a good job with good hours and good pay.
 
Are people actually mad? If ur travelling for work other than a reasonable commute, of course you should be paid! Employers are taking the ****!!!!!!!!!! No sodding way I'd drive 5 hours for work for free, quite simply if you have zero reason to be at a location other than on behalf of the company, they pay you.
 
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