Hot Hatchbacks..

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Is there a more rounded, fun, quick type of car available today than a hot hatchback?

I have one, it could be argued not a very good one (Polo GTI) but each time I get out of it I have smile on my face having usually smashed the backside out of it. Now it is fair to say that really isn't the right approach on our roads today and of course you are right, but put that to one side for a moment as we can assume that now and again all of use feel the need to have a little fun when the conditions allow. My point is at that moment I am unsure any other type of car provides a better platform for such fun.

Let's look at the typical ingredients...

- Small and lightish
- Circa 200bhp or more through front wheels
- Good steering, good brakes and a good front end
- Adjustable with throttle and brakes (left foot)
- Great grip and surefooted nature
- Good power delivery and torque

The Polo does most of this OK, as I say it's not the best by any means and to be critical it lacks steering feel, has awful traction in the wet (wheels spins in first 3 gears), lacks a trick diff and doesn't really sound anything at all, but the core ingredients are all there to a lesser or greater extent. It has superb brakes, a solid front end that goes where you point it (when off heavy power) and good balance and overall grip.

I've had/have some epic cars and been lucky enough to drive several more over the years, but if I look at todays roads and conditions I struggle to find anything that provides the bang for buck experience of a good hot hatchback or provides anymore pleasure in the long term. Sure getting into my a V10 R8 is one hell of an event and in terms of pace leagues ahead of 99% of the other cars on the road and all hot hatchbacks. But if outright pace is a measure on the road you are being an idiot and I am too old and risk adverse these days and a hot hatchback provides 90% of the fun at much less pace in most cases.

The MX5 is also great but you know what, put aside a sublime chassis, brakes, steering, RWD handling and adjustability and you do come back to the fact it's engine lets it down badly and it does really need more horses and a better set up and it lacks the 4 seat, hatch back practicality that make an all round car. I chose the Polo GTI as first it was dirt cheap and was to be used as a station car, but also because I didn't want to be another 3/A4/C class bore plodding up a motorway to a meeting on the occasion I needed to do that. The Polo is totally anonymous and I frankly like that as a bright red V10 R8 is the opposite. But now having just taken a trip to Stoke Audi to order some bits for said R8 in the Polo, I have come back and said to the wife "that thing is bloody great fun" and that's what prompted this thread.

So, discuss, views, comments, objections, alternative opinions for my point?
 
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I agree, for the roads we have in the UK a small, light hatch is the perfect tool for fun. I'd say a small roadster is close 2nd maybe even ahead of the hot hatch if you're not bothered by the practicality. I'd go as far as saying anything over 350bhp is too much for the roads to really enjoy it. Most cars deliver fun while being trashed close to redline but do that in a powerful car and you'll be handing your license back in and run out of road.
 
I agree there are more dynamic, more pure and cars that require more skill to get the most from, but my point was predicated on the point that a hot hatch can do all the other stuff well, carry people, put stuff in the boot, do a motorway cruise in comfort etc. It's that all around ability that can in an instant become a smiles per hour machine on the right road at sane pace that makes them perfect all round car for a petrolhead. No hot hatch will require the skill or carry the pace of a Caterham for example, but that's sort of missing the point.
 
Two of the most "fun" cars I've owned were my Saxo VTR (back in 2003) and my Leon Cupra R. I think it's probably more a power to weight thing along with chuckability (the Saxo I never felt that I couldn't just throw it into any given corner and it would come out the other side), rather than an arbitrary power figure. The Leon was probably less "fun", but more thrilling with it's outright speed, it's most redeeming feature being the over-braked front end, meaning you could properly hammer it up to particularly tight corners, and still slow down before entering.

I think skinny tyres also help towards making "lesser" hatchbacks more "fun" to throw around, even at legal speeds. The wife's old Lupo 1.4 was great for this, not particularly quick but great to drive on the edge.
 
Dont think anyone can disagree with any of the above. Hot hatches are great fun. Though the prices of some of them these days are getting a bit insane. My EP3 Type R in 2002 was £16K.
 
My wife's 2nd and 3rd cars were a 106 XSI and 106 GTI, both bought new. They were light, rapid and had a short wheelbase, so were easy to move around with lift off oversteer and had great steering and feedback It was when Peugeot were still able to make hot hatchbacks at the top of their game and I struggle to think of cars that put a bigger smile on my face for such little outlay. I think we sold the XSI within 10p of what we paid for it too!
 
They're the kind of cars I wish I liked - as you say, they're a great combination of fun and practicality, and a less yobbish one like a Polo GTi can fit in anywhere. Sadly, hot hatches do absolutely nothing for me and I can never see myself owning one, despite all their advantages. Like a lot of people, I'm incredibly illogical when it comes to cars: I drive a big saloon and yet I barely ever have more than one other person in the car and never need to carry anything more than a couple of bags. I'd still never trade it for a hot hatch though :p
 
I agree, the best car I've owned was my 182. It fitted my bikes on the roof and it even moved my whole possessions from the Highlands (near Inverness) to Newquay. It averaged mid 30mpgs and would always put a smile on my face even 4 years later. It was also easy to work on.

Yeah I love a good hot hatch.
 
As I have been driving MPV barges for the last few years, I find driving around in my sons Fiesta is great fun, and it's got less than 100 bhp! Can only imagine how much fun it would be with double the power.
 
One thing the new ones have that the older ones don't is systems to look after you. I still recall one of the biggest near misses I had was in my wife's 106 XSI heading back to our B&B on the Friday night of the Goodwood Festival of Speed back in the day. Some chap in a Rover 200 GTI wanted to have some fun, so of course I obliged. I was getting the better of him and I came to a bend over a brow of a hill which I came into far too quickly and naively lifted off. Mistake, the thing snapped sideways and I got into a lurid tank slapper which luckily I managed to hold but mostly through luck. They really had the ability to throw you into a hedge in those days as it had no systems bar ABS. My wife actually spun it twice on islands due to lifting off!

Epic!
 
It's all well and good being the fastest around the Nurburgring, but in the real world, with real world tasks hot hatches are king. Saying that though, a small roadster would still be my ideal car. I think that the hypercar model is ridiculous for our roads, and even some of the latest mega hatches are getting ludicrously fast.
 
Loved my 106 GTi back in the day, and even the 1.1 I had before it :p

Always wanted a mint 205 GTi and had the opportunity a couple years ago (was a mint garage find at a ridiculously low price)... never meet your idols! Sold after a month
 
It's all well and good being the fastest around the Nurburgring, but in the real world, with real world tasks hot hatches are king. Saying that though, a small roadster would still be my ideal car. I think that the hypercar model is ridiculous for our roads, and even some of the latest mega hatches are getting ludicrously fast.

Hypercars are the emperors new clothes for the very very well healed. I know a few owners of 918's and P1's and typically they are 1 of a few epic cars they own. Only 10 minutes back I made a post elsewhere that said much the same, I just don't get turned on by modern hyper cars and even though I can see how epic they are there are many cars that would adorn a wallpaper on my computer before such a car. Age thing I think.

Loved my 106 GTi back in the day, and even the 1.1 I had before it :p

Always wanted a mint 205 GTi and had the opportunity a couple years ago (was a mint garage find at a ridiculously low price)... never meet your idols! Sold after a month

Interesting, what did you realise was actually a bit **** about the 205?
 
Isn't this what coupes are for? If you don't want to go down to 2 seats then look at things like RX8, Lotus Evora, Audi TT, GT86 etc.
 
Isn't this what coupes are for? If you don't want to go down to 2 seats then look at things like RX8, Lotus Evora, Audi TT, GT86 etc.

Missing the point. None of these cars are all round cars with the same flexibility as a hot hatch and I would argue bar the Lotus probably not as much fun either.
 
Interesting, what did you realise was actually a bit **** about the 205?

Probably nothing, just me being an old git :p

It was fully stock bar a CD radio. It was horribly uncomfortable to drive for more than an hour, lacking the stopping power I felt needed (spent a fortune modding the 106), felt way too twitchy at pace... the potential for violent death at every turn... all the things that make hot hatches fun :p

It was fine, I just became aware of my mortality and desire for comfort!
 
[TW]Fox;30379730 said:
How can you take these cars seriously when they lack carpeted door bins?

This is not for you this thread, you're not welcome here as you are a freak of nature. You had a briefcase at school when everyone had an adidas bag and you don't have any McDonalds left overs anywhere in your car or any dust either. I bet you read Wide Range Readers Green books when we all read Blue ones too!

You're spesh.

Probably nothing, just me being an old git :p

It was fully stock bar a CD radio. It was horribly uncomfortable to drive for more than an hour, lacking the stopping power I felt needed (spent a fortune modding the 106), felt way too twitchy at pace... the potential for violent death at every turn... all the things that make hot hatches fun :p

It was fine, I just became aware of my mortality and desire for comfort!

Ah yes, they were made from paper that much is true! I had a summer job during school/college in the local Peugeot dealers so used to get to work on them (God help the poor owners!) and they were so paper thin it was scary. However that twitchiness was part of their appeal, they are so agile but need real skill (read knowing know better) to get them going well and each and every bend could dead you dead, to my comment above about my 106 experience. The brakes would be awful today too, no ABS either I suspect and fade tastic. We have all been spoilt, but back then I guess it's all we knew so we were oblivious and I know at 19 I was fearless too! :D
 
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