Six dead in Quebec Mosque terror attack

While its silly to moan at Trump for not updating his twitter, i dont doubt that had the killer been Muslim, he would have used it for one thing or another just because to him, its convenient and effective for his cause.

It is terrible that its gotten to the point where when thing like this happen, we are left guessing whether it might be extreme right wing nationalist or a psychotic religious nut at the trigger end.

But we don't know either way. This guy could given his name be of French decent and want nothing more or less than revenge.

Nobody really knows anything at this point.

Presumably because his (alleged) Facebook profile shows he is following the Pope.

TBH religion probably has little to do with it (at the very least we don't know right now.

As i pointed out to amiga though, he also follows(ed) Richard dawkins. Can't be a christian and an atheist!
 
Remind me what exactly your issue is with snopes?

Last time I checked it was nothing to do with the content of their site, but that one of the founders were arrested for fraud, which again was completely fake news....

Never heard about one of the founders being arrested for fraud.

Look, as an urban myth busting site - UFOs, xenobiology, email chain letters etc , snopes is fine. That's what they were set up to do and they were good at it. Then they decided to go into the political fact-checking market and they are hopelessly out of their depth. Have a read: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/f...act-checker-is-just-a-failed-liberal-blogger/
 
Never heard about one of the founders being arrested for fraud.

Look, as an urban myth busting site - UFOs, xenobiology, email chain letters etc , snopes is fine. That's what they were set up to do and they were good at it. Then they decided to go into the political fact-checking market and they are hopelessly out of their depth. Have a read: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/f...act-checker-is-just-a-failed-liberal-blogger/

What's that got to do with debunking torture stories dreamt up by sickos?

Whoever came up with the lies at the Bataclan is nearly as sick as the attackers that shot everyone. The poor families of the victims have to put up with a bunch of sick people using their dead loved ones to try and stir up more hate, built on lies.

The fact is that the Bataclan attack was deplorable enough without a load of crap about victims being castrated and eye gouged.
 
I wonder if we ever get to the point that people do this, lie about their beliefs, just to stoke up discontent and legitimise authoritarian movements?

As in, a politically active combative with false motives.

/and before people get the wrong idea, i don't mean a false flag or conspiracy, as that requires other people... this is just one person taking upon themselves to carry out their own vision, regardless of success or their own future.
 
I think its a possibility but fairly unlikely. These extreme nut-jobs in all this seem to share a common attribute, which is a pride for their belief. Whether it is pride in their religion or pride in their nationalism or whatever, it seems that making a show of what they actually stand for is part of the purpose of their acts of terror.
 
Lots of nasty people in the world today and these forums are no exception. The usual suspects were polishing their clubs when news broke out about the attack, ready to start bashing but when it was revealed the terrorist is neither brown nor Muslim... silence. Who cares about a bunch of dead people when their tragedy can't be used to spread hatred and fear? Hillary was right, you and your champion(who is also curiously silent) are deplorable.


Well said mate

While its silly to moan at Trump for not updating his twitter, i dont doubt that had the killer been Muslim, he would have used it for one thing or another just because to him, its convenient and effective for his cause.

It is terrible that its gotten to the point where when thing like this happen, we are left guessing whether it might be extreme right wing nationalist or a psychotic religious nut at the trigger end.

Of course he would as it would fit in with his rhetoric ie Muslims are terrorists et etc. But poor Trump and his supporters, this time round, it didn't fit their rhetoric so has pretty much kept quiet about it albeit a statement from his press secretary.
 
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The biggest danger we face is not the terrorist, but the governments who are using these people as a pretext to enslave us.

Well said sir. I bet ours will, if they haven't already, use this as justification for the new Snoopers Charter. "this man wasn't on any list, he appeared to just be another innocent person until the attack, so us monitoring everything that everyone does online is needed to keep you safe from people like that"
 
Yes, the actual chart simply states 'number of Americans killed by their citizens' then gives a 0 for countries such as Iraq, Libya... which is false - see Pan Am bombing for example.

You're then stating that it is relating to attacks on American soil but again haven't provided a source for the chart.

Sure when it comes to domestic terror attacks it is likely that is what they're basing the figures on - though it isn't quite clear the methodology used to divide them up. But the fundamental thing is that you were happy to take it at face value, argue for it despite having no idea where it has come from nor being able to explain the data. That is a silly position to take and isn't much better than the various Trump supporters who accept 'alternative facts' at face value.


What utter rubbish, I know exactly where it came from, I provided links to the data used to make the table. The figures are official numbers from FBI terrorist database.


Just admit you were wrong and move on instead of making up ridiculous excuses that make you look stupid. Yet again PanAm was not on American soil and no immigration consultant trolls will ever stop terrorists outside the US.
 
Sprite and Katy Perry too, all the hallmarks of a fascist white supremacist :confused:

Completely irrelevant. Muslim terrorists drink water, does that mean that everyone that drinks water is a Muslim terrorists? Why are you trying to generalize irrelevant information when the relevant part is a far right extremist supports gravrigjt parties and a facist dictator.
 
What's that got to do with debunking torture stories dreamt up by sickos?

Whoever came up with the lies at the Bataclan is nearly as sick as the attackers that shot everyone. The poor families of the victims have to put up with a bunch of sick people using their dead loved ones to try and stir up more hate, built on lies.

The fact is that the Bataclan attack was deplorable enough without a load of crap about victims being castrated and eye gouged.

Because it's the same dishonest, lying source debunking these claims. Is there anything about the Islamic State that makes you think they wouldn't torture the kuffir to death given the opportunity? Did they have the opportunity in the Bataclan? It must be very comforting to think "IS - they aren't that bad, if they take me hostage they'll only behead me and it'll be over relatively quickly", but that is not what happened despite what people like establishment mouthpieces like snopes want you to think.

From the official inquiry into the Bataclan massacre:

Mr. President Georges Fenech: Indeed, the Committee is troubled by this information which has appeared nowhere [in the media]. Thus, the father of one of the victims sent me a copy of a letter he sent to the investigating judge, which I quote in summary: “On the causes of the death of my son A., at the forensic institute in Paris, I was told, and what a shock it was for me at that moment, they had cut off his testicles, had put them in his mouth, and he was disemboweled. When I saw him behind glass, lying on a table, a white shroud covering it up to the neck, a psychologist was with me. He said: This is “the only presentable part, your son’s left profile.” I found that he had no right eye. I made the remark; I was informed that they had punctured his eye and sliced down the right side of his face, where there was a very large hematoma that we could all see. ”
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Prosecutor: I specify, for the sake of clarity: some of the bodies found at the Bataclan were extremely mutilated by the explosions and weapons, to the point that it was sometimes difficult to reconstruct the dismembered bodies. In other words, injuries described this father may also have been caused by automatic weapons, by explosions or projections of nails and bolts that have resulted.

Q. Would those have put a man’s balls in in his own mouth?

Prosecutor: I do not have that information.

Eye witness testimony: http://heatst.com/world/exclusive-witnesses-knife-torture-castration-and-severed-heads-at-bataclan/

Remember folks, this is the kind of terrorism the French PM says we have to "learn to live with".
 
Because it's the same dishonest, lying source debunking these claims. Is there anything about the Islamic State that makes you think they wouldn't torture the kuffir to death given the opportunity? Did they have the opportunity in the Bataclan? It must be very comforting to think "IS - they aren't that bad, if they take me hostage they'll only behead me and it'll be over relatively quickly", but that is not what happened despite what people like establishment mouthpieces like snopes want you to think.

From the official inquiry into the Bataclan massacre:



Eye witness testimony: http://heatst.com/world/exclusive-witnesses-knife-torture-castration-and-severed-heads-at-bataclan/

Remember folks, this is the kind of terrorism the French PM says we have to "learn to live with".

Do you have a mental illness?

You are literally linking back to the page that the Snopes article is debunking as 'proof'

The actual inquiry is published here:
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp

And I've run it through Google Translate for you
https://translate.google.com/transl...ssemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp

And there is no mention of the crap you are posting. I really feel mods should start doing something about people posting horrible fake stuff, it's an insult to the families of the victims.
 
What utter rubbish, I know exactly where it came from, I provided links to the data used to make the table. The figures are official numbers from FBI terrorist database.


Just admit you were wrong and move on instead of making up ridiculous excuses that make you look stupid. Yet again PanAm was not on American soil and no immigration consultant trolls will ever stop terrorists outside the US.
OK provide a link then... you can't. You've just copied and pasted it from some random place on the internet - perhaps Facebook.

The chart is dodgy - it doesn't specify attacks on US soil for a start. You're claiming I'm looking stupid but you're unable to see the really obvious issues with this chart/data and instead are accepting it at face value. That is stupid - the fact you still can't link to the chart shows how credulous you're being.

Whoever compiled it can't add up even assuming they used the document you linked to. It specifies American deaths when actually it is likely including non-American deaths too. It is just a badly created chart you blindly copied and pasted here as fact and when called out on it, after several posts, you're still unable to link to where it was sourced.

I mean can you explain the deaths attributed to Lebanon for example - there was one Lebanese hijacker on board flight 93 that crashed into the countryside - total innocent deaths 40, total American deaths 37. Yet your chart has over 100... there are maybe a handful of other attacks linked to Lebanese people but not enough to bring that total up.

So your chart that talks about 'number of Americans killed by their citizens' actually meant to say 'number of people from anywhere in the world killed by their citizens, but only on US soil'... and even then it is based on a dubious unknown methodology for tabulating the data and compiled by people who can't even get the same total as your claimed source for the figures.


Perhaps you ought to admit you were wrong and give up - you can't link to chart despite numerous requests, the figures are ******** and the chart is objectively wrong as it clearly trying to display something other than what is claimed.
 
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OK provide a link then... you can't. You've just copied and pasted it from some random place on the internet - perhaps Facebook.

The chart is dodgy - it doesn't specify attacks on US soil for a start.

Whoever compiled it can't add up even assuming they used the document you linked to. It specifies American deaths when actually it is likely including non-American deaths too. It is just a badly created chart you blindly copied and pasted here as fact and when called out on it, after several posts, you're still unable to link to where it was sourced.

I mean can you explain the deaths attributed to Lebanon for example - there was one Lebanese hijacker on board flight 93 that crashed into the countryside - total innocent deaths 40, total American deaths 37. Yet your chart has over 100... there are maybe a handful of other attacks linked to Lebanese people but not enough to bring that total up.

So your chart that talks about 'number of Americans killed by their citizens' actually meant to say 'number of people from anywhere in the world killed by their citizens, but only on US soil'... and even then it is based on a dubious unknown methodology for tabulating the data and compiled by people who can't even get the same total as your claimed source for the figures.


Perhaps you ought to admit you were wrong and give up - you can't link to chart despite numerous requests, the figures are ******** and the chart is objectively wrong as it clearly trying to display something other than what is claimed.




Are you absolutely blind, I've provided a link to the original source, the table is reproduced on numerous other websites citing that webpage as the source of the data. If you find fault with the data then report it to them.
 
still dodging the questions

provide a link to the chart... you can't

explain the Lebanese figures... you can't

there are obvious errors in the report you linked to - conflating deaths of all nationalities for American deaths for example... but your chart can't even get the same total as them and no where in that report do they attempt to attribute deaths to different countries but to different visa categories

am still waiting for a link to the source you pulled the chart from (not the report you're speculating whoever created used)
 
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OK provide a link then... you can't. You've just copied and pasted it from some random place on the internet - perhaps Facebook.

The chart is dodgy - it doesn't specify attacks on US soil for a start. You're claiming I'm looking stupid but you're unable to see the really obvious issues with this chart/data and instead are accepting it at face value. That is stupid - the fact you still can't link to the chart shows how credulous you're being.

Whoever compiled it can't add up even assuming they used the document you linked to. It specifies American deaths when actually it is likely including non-American deaths too. It is just a badly created chart you blindly copied and pasted here as fact and when called out on it, after several posts, you're still unable to link to where it was sourced.

I mean can you explain the deaths attributed to Lebanon for example - there was one Lebanese hijacker on board flight 93 that crashed into the countryside - total innocent deaths 40, total American deaths 37. Yet your chart has over 100... there are maybe a handful of other attacks linked to Lebanese people but not enough to bring that total up.

So your chart that talks about 'number of Americans killed by their citizens' actually meant to say 'number of people from anywhere in the world killed by their citizens, but only on US soil'... and even then it is based on a dubious unknown methodology for tabulating the data and compiled by people who can't even get the same total as your claimed source for the figures.


Perhaps you ought to admit you were wrong and give up - you can't link to chart despite numerous requests, the figures are ******** and the chart is objectively wrong as it clearly trying to display something other than what is claimed.


lol literally splitting hairs to try and back your non existent point.
 
lol literally splitting hairs to try and back your non existent point.

literally splitting hairs when no one can provide a link to the source of the chart, no one can justify the dodgy figures when questioned and the claimed totals the chart represents are actually a (bad) attempt to tally something completely different, keep trying...
 
Completely irrelevant. Muslim terrorists drink water, does that mean that everyone that drinks water is a Muslim terrorists? Why are you trying to generalize irrelevant information when the relevant part is a far right extremist supports gravrigjt parties and a facist dictator.

No I was just Trollolling you. I'm glad Trump won, and hope Le Pen does too. I'm not about to go shoot up a mosque though. I just want to see the left across Europe reined in a bit and if that means some right wing politicians getting into power for a while so be it.
 
still dodging the questions

provide a link to the chart... you can't

explain the Lebanese figures... you can't

there are obvious errors in the report you linked to - conflating deaths of all nationalities for American deaths for example... but your chart can't even get the same total as them and no where in that report do they attempt to attribute deaths to different countries but to different visa categories

am still waiting for a link to the source you pulled the chart from (not the report you're speculating whoever created used)

i gave you a link to the data form the chart, you are the one dodging the questions. You don;t think the data is valid, prove it and force CATO to publish a correction.

I got the image most likely from OccupyDemocrats website or similar, the image is irrelevant, it is the data that matters. Go on, prove the data is wrong. I am all ears and would gladly accept to be wrong.



The data is reproduced in many reputable sources:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...7-countries-trump_us_588b5a1fe4b0230ce61b4b93

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-muslim-entry-limit_us_58869835e4b070d8cad50935

literally splitting hairs when no one can provide a link to the source of the chart, no one can justify the dodgy figures when questioned and the claimed totals the chart represents are actually a (bad) attempt to tally something completely different, keep trying...

The source of that damn chart has been posted numerous times, you just choose to ignore it.

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A terrible event, my thoughts go to those affected.

There has been a slow up-tick in "right wing" terrorism since Andres Brevik it seems. It does correlate to the rise of Trump, Le Pen, Wilders etc, but I'm not sure if these are the cause, or the potential solution.

Western society has become horrendously fractured, the two main ways to release steam are through the ballot box and through violent action. I'm glad we're giving the ballot box a go, with luck we'll come to a consensus opinion on how to heal within a few years.
 
The source of that damn chart has been posted numerous times, you just choose to ignore it.

It hasn't at all, the source of the data you believe was used in compiling the chart has... but you can provide no link to the chart itself. You've completely dodged the objections/questions and still can't link to the source of the chart.

Just admit it - you copied and pasted a dodgy chart from Facebook. Or post the source. I thought you put yourself out as some sort of academic... yet you're unable to respond to legitimate criticism. None of the other links provided make the incorrect claim as your chart and neither does the original source(though it has some minor errors) produce any tally by nationality.
 
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