What car out of interest?
List of new diesels that don't have DPF
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What car out of interest?
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Volvo V50 1.6d, Vauxhall insignia 2.0 sri, 2x Volvo V40s 1.6 D2
I'd be surprised if they did that in one go next budget.
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I think it's the only way to get people to move to petrol cars in the numbers they want
Surely it would take more then 10p per litre added
As some diesels can do almost double the MPG compared to a petrol
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Diesel is already 3p per litre more than petrol here at the moment and that's just from the recent price increases. Petrol has decreased by a penny a litre over the past week but diesel has remained the same. With the current movement against diesels I can see them finding some way of making them more expensive to run to defer people from buying them.
The penelty should be to discourage people from buying new ones. It should not penalise people who already own them.
Particularly as this buying pattern is almost entirely down to the Government driving Diesel in the first place)
(anybody tried to buy a new Petrol van recently??
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The penelty should be to discourage people from buying new ones. It should not penalise people who already own them.
Particularly as this buying pattern is almost entirely down to the Government driving Diesel in the first place)
(anybody tried to buy a new Petrol van recently??
Agreed. However this is the tories
If someone is that bothered about fuel consumption the difference between a frugal diesel and a frugal petrol isn't as big as it used to be.
The penelty should be to discourage people from buying new ones. It should not penalise people who already own them.
Particularly as this buying pattern is almost entirely down to the Government driving Diesel in the first place)
(anybody tried to buy a new Petrol van recently??
I would rather they penalise all the owners of the old smokey diesels, phase them out and get them off the road, they are disgusting. New ones don't smoke like the old ones, nothing wrong with the euro6 ones.
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Here's a bit of info, out of my last lot of 28 vehicles which ALL had DPF's, from 2013-2016 I had to change 2 of them (one on a scudo minibus, one on a peugeot 807, these were used for town runs) of the other which are 99% airports (a lot of motorway) and do 250-350k in 3 years I never had to touch them (I did however have to top up the fluid every 120k)
So speaks somebody who hasn't got one.
By all means, If you want to De-Diesel the transport system introduce rules that state (Say) that, from 2020 it will not (Subject to certain exceptions) be permitted to licence for highway use Diesel vehicles under 3500Kg GVW.
(HGV,s are a different issue)
But it would be grotesquely unfair to penalise people who have already purchased machinery on the basis of both propaganda and tax breaks by the government for having done so.
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funny with the exception of the odd d turbo or toledo driven by hooded charachters, i've seen more reek from "new" diesels than old ones, generally found leaving a black cloud behind them after a hasty withdrawal from traffic lights.
the long and the short of it is people don't care about emissions when money is involved, and for the majority diesel has been the mpg monster of choice for cheap to run cars, sure tech might be catching up now but for the masses 45 tops from granny driving or 60+ from "normal" driving has been a no brainer.
I have a focus 2006 1.8 tdci.. it has 2 valves/cylinder (the block on these is the Mk1 block.. the only engine in the range not to have been updated on the Mk2 release) and in first with acceleration at the traffic lights can do a diesel.. with black smoke but .. if it's been run for some distances it doesn't tend to result in a black smoke.
The new incoming car is a 1.6 diesel with more power, less thirst and less weight than the old diesel. It's a Euro6 too. The stop-start will, given the same use probably return better figures (read M25/M3/M4/A21/A3 standing traffic etc).
Happy to move to a new diesel.
The new incoming car is a 1.6 diesel with more power, less thirst and less weight than the old diesel. It's a Euro6 too. The stop-start will, given the same use probably return better figures (read M25/M3/M4/A21/A3 standing traffic etc).
Happy to move to a new diesel.
I don't think it is the only way, they could offer a diesel scrappage scheme for example, or change the VED to be heavily biased against Diesel, or expand congestion charging for diesels etc. I also doubt the short term commitment is as strong, so even if that was the only way I am not convinced they would go ahead with it the way you have described.
In essence I think there will an endeavour to reduce diesel emissions but I don't think it will be as drastic/rapid as you do. We'll find out next month
