Australian parenting - No Jab, no play and no rebate
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I completely support forcibly quarantining them, since they have chosen to make their children danger to everyone else and to human civilisation as we know it.
And no, that's not hyperbole. Modern civilisation wouldn't survive a major pandemic with a high death rate in a short time and there are diseases that can do that and are suppressed by near-universal vaccination.
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Going to re-answer the post since the legitmate points i made were somehow missed:
Government does not control what gets injected, they just decide that there is a need for mandatory injection on jabs recommended by medical bodies who have medical expertise that we do not have. These are the same medical bodies that decide what treatments are safe and not safe when you take your kid to the doctor. An experts decision should trump everyone elses.
Your argument and phrasing seems to suggest that it is parents who are overly possessive of decisions to their children. Passing a law to make vaccinations mandatory only takes control away from idiot parents and gives it to professionals. Do you feel seat-belt laws are unjust and only serve to remove your feeling of power over your children's lives? I mean, if a parent feels its not worth the aggravation of belting up their crying 2 year old, she understands the consequences of a crash, right?
Government does not control what gets injected, they just decide that there is a need for mandatory injection on jabs recommended by medical bodies who have medical expertise that we do not have. These are the same medical bodies that decide what treatments are safe and not safe when you take your kid to the doctor. An experts decision should trump everyone elses.
They may be aware of what the consequences are but if they fail to make the right choice, then they clearly dont understand it. There is a big difference in being made aware and understanding it. We all know what the potential consequence of smoking can be but we still do it to the day we regret it and often moaning half the time about how it would be nice to give up and save money. At the end of the day, it effects the child's life and other children's lives. I just dont think its worth pandering to a parents ego in thinking that because they batter dipped their cranny axe in someones gut locker, they have the right to make medical risk assessments beyond their capabilities on a child.
Your argument and phrasing seems to suggest that it is parents who are overly possessive of decisions to their children. Passing a law to make vaccinations mandatory only takes control away from idiot parents and gives it to professionals. Do you feel seat-belt laws are unjust and only serve to remove your feeling of power over your children's lives? I mean, if a parent feels its not worth the aggravation of belting up their crying 2 year old, she understands the consequences of a crash, right?
I will expand a bit on my view.
I believe vaccination should be mandatory but no enforceable by law.. more really if parents decide not to vaccinate their kids then they should be excluded as per what the Aussies are doing and saying the kids who are not should be some how kept away from other kids.
It was a slow day at work and I work in a large financial office in London so I went around the office and spoke to 76 mums... 75 of them said the decision should be left down to the parents but those who chose not to should be excluded from nurseries, play groups etc and generally be around other children. Only one mum agreed it should be enforced by the government with legal action / fines etc.
I believe vaccination should be mandatory but no enforceable by law.. more really if parents decide not to vaccinate their kids then they should be excluded as per what the Aussies are doing and saying the kids who are not should be some how kept away from other kids.
It was a slow day at work and I work in a large financial office in London so I went around the office and spoke to 76 mums... 75 of them said the decision should be left down to the parents but those who chose not to should be excluded from nurseries, play groups etc and generally be around other children. Only one mum agreed it should be enforced by the government with legal action / fines etc.
Whaaaaa? You believe something should be a legal requirement but not legally enforceable?
No your missing my point.. I didn't say legal requirement is said mandatory surely that's not the same thing.
I was always only ever against the legal action / fining of parents..
Taking away access or giving nurseries the right to refuse kids based on the Vax status is a better way of doing it.
What the Aussies are doing is just that.. there still is no legal requirement to vaccinate the kids but those who don't will loose certain benefits.
I was always only ever against the legal action / fining of parents..
Taking away access or giving nurseries the right to refuse kids based on the Vax status is a better way of doing it.
What the Aussies are doing is just that.. there still is no legal requirement to vaccinate the kids but those who don't will loose certain benefits.
Not giving your children a vaccine is abusing them in my opinion. You are basically putting their lives at risk because of your own stupidity and lack of understanding of the facts surrounding immunisation.
If a parents child dies from a disease that could have been prevented with a vaccine they should be put in prison for manslaughter if you ask me.
not vaccinating them is neglect.
Perhaps a polite request would meet your criteria?
Then two of my wife's friends are neglecting their kids.. neither have vaccinated because of certain stories hey have read about the increased chance of Autism.. again i don't agree with what they have done as the benefits are there.
i seem to remember even the people who started that info about autism have said it was flawed research.
They are also abusing your kids by putting them at a higher risk.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
cdc link- stating of nine research projects conducted none found a link between vaccines and autism
cdc link- stating of nine research projects conducted none found a link between vaccines and autism
Yes, your wife's friends are neglecting their children.
I think the Australian approach is a good one, you're welcome to be an idiot - don't vaccinate your children, homeschool them etc.. you're also not allowed to increase the risk to other children as a result of your idiocy.
I don't think that the government should force parents to do these things, likewise if jews or muslims want to mutilate their kid's penises then they probably should be free to do so. Yes it is weird, yes they're stupid for doing so but it is ingrained in their culture and backwards belief system.
People believe in stupid things ('alternative' medicine, religion etc..) and do stupid things as a result. Perhaps there ought to be some consequences for them though - maybe when the child reaches adulthood they ought to be able to sue their parents over these sorts of things if they resulted in some harm to them.
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different people may have different definitions of abuse and neglect
Not a bad idea. You were responsible for me therefore pay for your dumb decision to cut the end off my chappy.