Shots fired outside parliament - Please refrain from speculative and antagonistic posts

Chris Wilson said:
OK, we'll just ask what's troubling them over a nice cup of tea, maybe give them a grant or something?
Check their house is big enough, benefits all coming through, nothing they've missed having? Give them
a flyer on their `uman rights? Mustn't offend them in any way... ;) Tell MI5 to get off their backs?
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Personally with how few attacks we have here, i don't think that the things the government and security services are doing is far wrong.
 
Chris Wilson said:
OK, we'll just ask what's troubling them over a nice cup of tea, maybe give them a grant or something?
Check their house is big enough, benefits all coming through, nothing they've missed having? Give them
a flyer on their `uman rights? Mustn't offend them in any way... ;) Tell MI5 to get off their backs?
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If only there were a potential approach somewhere between a) the daily mail fallacy of giving them free money and a big hug and b) the daily mail wet dream of marching everybody who looks a bit dodgy to an internment camp in preparation for deportation. Oh wait, there is, we're currently doing it, and for the most part it works.
 
Cuchulain said:
I have every sympathy for the family of the people that've died, absolute and unequivocal sympathy but for people not to understand why these types of attacks happen is beyond me, I don't go out of my way and kick a Rottweiler in the nuts and expect it not to savage my crown jewels off. There's only so much interference in other countries affairs and demonising of their religions that they'll take before you can expect a reaction and it's not exactly like you've had to learn this lesson for many decades.
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I'm assuming now that the suspect has been named we're now allowed to discuss this topic a bit further in this thread (disclaimer - I guess we're still making an assumption to some extent that it is Islamic terrorism so this post is conditional on it being that - but to be absolutely clear, in order to stay in the rules I'm not speculating that this is an Islamist attack).

Firstly it isn't clear that the terrorist is actually from a country we've intervened in, he appears to be from Birmingham. Maybe he's been brought up sharing a religion with a large % of people in those countries or maybe he's converted to it - it isn't necessarily inevitable that intervening in some other country should have an effect on everyone else who shares the religion of people form that country. I mean it would be like if a load of British Catholics started attacks because we went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands. It requires a bit more than that, it requires adherence to a certain type of ideology, one that plenty of people sharing the religion quite possibly disagree with and so perhaps only applies to a minority of extremists within that religion. So I don't agree with the Rottweiler analogy, in fact I think it is a bit offensive - while I also don't agree with all western interventions the idea that we shouldn't try to intervene/assist in some part of the world because the civilians concerned follow a particular religion and therefore some extremists might attack is frankly wrong. While some intervention can act as a catalyst some attacks have little to do with foreign policy/intervention: 9/11 occurred because US Troops were present in Saudi, at the request of the Saudi govt, nervous about a possible invasion from Iraq after Kuwait fell. The Bali bombings were the result of humanitarian intervention in East Timor (not a muslim majority country). There have been attacks in France and Scandinavia as a result of cartoons being published, there is an Author living in the UK under threat of attack since the 1980s because he published a book.

Though I'm not really a big fan of people asking other posters to watch youtube videos or read external links I think Hitchen's does deal with this topic quite eloquently, if you do care to watch then I've posted a video below which I mostly agree with:

 
Getting very sickening seeing all these politicans and other public figures give their spiel on both the TV(internet) or twitter, like cardboard cutout replies. When did the world go nuts like this again, probably the rise of social networking.
 
Greebo said:
You said temporary in the first place and didnt make it clear. So now you are at least clear. No jury, no trial, if you go on the watch list you are deported for life.

So if i report you for suspicious terrorist behavior and you go on the watch list you are happy to be deported for life?

Notice you have moved the goalposts again and now its only "Islamic" people on the watch list. You are fine with home grown white supremacists, animals activists and IRA terrorists continuing to injure and kill people then? Right glad you are cause I'm not.

Glad we got that sorted and got to the bottom of your racist agenda then.
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My very first post was:

Arazi said:
matt100 said:
"Known to the police" is such a misleading term.. Maybe if they had significantly fewer people on the lists they could police them more effectively but it's clearly nonsense to believe we could ever properly keep a constant eye on everyone on the "list" there's probably not enough police officers to complete the task.
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Everyone on one of those lists should be taken into custody, processed and deported to country of origin or country of parents origin, if that cannot be done lock them up until they are no longer a threat.

We would then unlikely have the following ridiculous shocking stats:

Screeeech said:
7/7 bombers - known to MI5 and the police, had previously been investigated, didn't do any good.
Bataclan ringleader and accomplices - already known to the police, didn't do any good
Charlie Hebdo attacks - all attackers known to the police and intelligence services - didn't do any good.
Brussels suicide bombings (airport and underground) - nearly all attackers known to police and intelligence services - didn't do any good
Nice truck attack - main suspect known to the police - didn't do any good
Berlin Christmas market attack - main suspect known to police, and intelligence services - and in the process of being deported, didn't do any good
Westminster attack, - attacker known to the police and MI5 - didn't do any good,
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Drastic measures should be taken so the above joke cannot keep happening, i read that list and actually laughed at how ******* ridiculous that it is all true, I am amazed at how stupid we are, something as obvious as that list deserves one response, arrest them all and deport!
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Take a look at that list. Notice what they are which is Islamist Terrorists? And all on watch lists, hence why i said DRASTIC measures and deport them all.

Where do i say anything about temporary deportations??
 
Rroff said:
I almost wonder if it was somewhat spontaneous - generally terrorist attacks kick off earlier in the day or target peak times - unless he actually thought he had a real chance of getting to one of the high profile politicians who would be around at that time.
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Wonder if it was somewhat spontaneous? Wrong time of day for a proper attack? That's a new excuse, I'll add it to the list, it's getting very big ;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
OK, we'll just ask what's troubling them over a nice cup of tea, maybe give them a grant or something?
Check their house is big enough, benefits all coming through, nothing they've missed having? Give them
a flyer on their `uman rights? Mustn't offend them in any way... ;) Tell MI5 to get off their backs?
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Quite a few in here actually think that is what should be done, but shhh, you will be accused of being on a right wing watch list and such like for having a different opinion.
 
Chris Wilson said:
In the seventies and possibly early eighties many cars had an inertia switch that killed the fuel pump in a collision. I was quite proud to be able to hooligan Triumph Stags sufficiently (without hitting anything...) to the point the inertia switch cut in :) That's assuming the crates actually ran WITH the switch operating the fuel pump, and the head gaskets hadn't gone of course.

http://socforum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-26954.html
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I thought with Stags the recommended head gasket service interval was every second tank of petrol :)
 
Chris Wilson said:
Wonder if it was somewhat spontaneous? Wrong time of day for a proper attack? That's a new excuse, I'll add it to the list, it's getting very big ;)
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Not saying he wasn't someone inclined towards that end, but that he might not have necessarily have woken up that morning with the intention to execute it that day - something might have angered or upset him during the course of the day to the point he executed a plan he'd been mulling over awhile.
 
Hades said:
I thought with Stags the recommended head gasket service interval was every second tank of petrol :)
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I shudder at the number of Stag and MKIII Supra head gaskets I must have changed. Toyota learned from their design errors and the following 2JZ-GTE engine was magnificent. British Leyland didn't and kept building crap ad infinitum :( Japan similarly learned that mass immigration doesn't work, the British didn't... (just to keep it mainly on topic you know ;))
 
Rroff said:
Not saying he wasn't someone inclined towards that end, but that he might not have necessarily have woken up that morning with the intention to execute it that day - something might have angered or upset him during the course of the day to the point he executed a plan he'd been mulling over awhile.
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Kept the knives in the rental just in case, did he?
 
Arazi said:
Didnt you accuse me of being a racist on the other page?



Aye ok,
Again i can play that game, i think you are a terrorist sympathizer going by your posting style, do you like this game?
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No thats fine, guess ill be on the watch list and deported soon then. Yes I am, as you clearly state you are only concerned about deporting Islamic terrorist and none of the other terrorists on the watch list.

You are selecting people purely on the basis that they are Islamic. Why not deport all terror suspects on the watch list? We pick on one group? I would like to get rid of all white supremacist terrorists as well.
 
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