The NHS cut down on prescriptions deemed to have low clinical value
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That's you're requirement though. You're lucky you can comfortably afford it so don't have to think about it.
Ifor I was having to budget for food I can honestly say I'd quite comfortably be living gluten free.
Like I've said, rice, legumes, vegetables. Cheap. Gluten free. Healthy. Huge variety.
Many of them will keep for ages because they're dry and only require moisture when you cook them so can be bought in bulk. Like the previous example of rice I gave.
Also jam sammidges do hit a certain fuzzy spot!
or if we look at relaity, comparisons have already be done
and essentially the cheapest food you can get by weight or by calories is rice. Even surprising things like bananas are only marginally more expensive on price per calorie than bread.
and virtually no one at all has jam sandwiches as a staple. I don't know a single person who eats that.
and essentially the cheapest food you can get by weight or by calories is rice. Even surprising things like bananas are only marginally more expensive on price per calorie than bread.
and virtually no one at all has jam sandwiches as a staple. I don't know a single person who eats that.
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If you start with a healthy diet then there probably isn't going to be much of an increase. If you're eating standard food that most brits eat then it almost certainly will.
We shall have to agree to disagree.
Only savages... any civilised person knows that you should also include peanut butter!
exactly it is getting to be a facetious argument, especially citing new potatoes twice in a row when other examples have been given
if we want to be pedantic then with rice being cheaper someone forced to not eat bread, if they were so poor that they had to look for something as cheap as bread or cheaper, is then technically going to save money
except its not in the slightest, both potatos and butter are extremly nutritious and good for you, unlike jam sandwiches which will also leave you feeling hungry within minutes.About as healthy as a jam sandwich as well.
Not sure why that's my requirement? As I said I've always eaten home cooked and prepared meals, that doesn't mean your grocery bill doesn't go up, even if it's just for "luxuries" like burgers and sausages during summer (ones without gluten are usually 2-3x more than the ones most people buy in that situation), gravy/stock cubes, soy sauce and many sauces for stirfry, rice noodles instead of egg noodles etc.
Sorry, but you're missing the point. You're coming up with random meals as an example of how food is cheaper or no different. I'm not disputing that individual meals can be the same price or cheaper, but people either have to have a wholesale change of diet to a significantly more restricted diet, or they have to pay more for their food. It's something that you just won't understand unless you really have to have a no gluten diet, then you'll realise just how restrictive a diet it can be, and how much more expensive it actually can be.
That or I, and many others are obviously doing it wrong.
But again they're gluten free alternatives of something. Not a different option altogether.
As an aside you can easily make burgers for less than the cost of buying them. When I make mine I don't use breadcrumbs so there is no gluten added. They're also very quick to make.
Also since.you can select the meat they're much more likely to be of good quality.
No ********* and elbows.
So your solution is to not have any kind of sauce with your meals, as they are "alternatives"?
Plain rice, with a side of carrot. Sounds tasty.
And yes, you could make your own burgers. How many people do?
So your solution for people on low incomes (and quite possibly long hours at work) is to spend 3-4x the time in the kitchen making food?
Again, going right back to the start, is that for some on low incomes a grant to help them eat the way most people eat would be very beneficial.
It's all very well us people that work in offices, make a reasonable amount of money and have time and a nice kitchen to cook in saying "well just change your diet entirely, cook everything from scratch and spend several hours a week in the kitchen, but tell that to the person that's just come through the door after a long shift, long commute and just wants to go to bed.
Plain rice, with a side of carrot. Sounds tasty.
And yes, you could make your own burgers. How many people do?
So your solution for people on low incomes (and quite possibly long hours at work) is to spend 3-4x the time in the kitchen making food?
Again, going right back to the start, is that for some on low incomes a grant to help them eat the way most people eat would be very beneficial.
It's all very well us people that work in offices, make a reasonable amount of money and have time and a nice kitchen to cook in saying "well just change your diet entirely, cook everything from scratch and spend several hours a week in the kitchen, but tell that to the person that's just come through the door after a long shift, long commute and just wants to go to bed.
But that is my point, people need to change their diet - so what? That doesn't necessitate the use of direct substitutes like gluten free bread any more than vegetarians *need* meat substitutes like vegetarian sausages. It simply means they need to avoid eating gluten, they can do that already and do so cheaply thus the prescriptions are a waste of money for the NHS.
if you're arguing some other point about people enjoying junk food or whatever you were mentioning earlier then I'm not sure what relevance that has to my argument or to the point that there is no need for the NHS to prescribe these gluten free substitutes.
wow you really cant think this through can you.
why cant you have sauce, it in no ways takes 3x4 times long, in fact it is much quicker.
you really are pulling @@@@ out of your rear, as your points have been thoroughly dismantled.
and the only thing you have left is lying through gritted teeth.
why cant you have sauce, it in no ways takes 3x4 times long, in fact it is much quicker.
you really are pulling @@@@ out of your rear, as your points have been thoroughly dismantled.
and the only thing you have left is lying through gritted teeth.
So your solution is to not have any kind of sauce with your meals, as they are "alternatives"?
Plain rice, with a side of carrot. Sounds tasty.
And yes, you could make your own burgers. How many people do?
So your solution for people on low incomes (and quite possibly long hours at work) is to spend 3-4x the time in the kitchen making food?
Again, going right back to the start, is that for some on low incomes a grant to help them eat the way most people eat would be very beneficial.
It's all very well us people that work in offices, make a reasonable amount of money and have time and a nice kitchen to cook in saying "well just change your diet entirely, cook everything from scratch and spend several hours a week in the kitchen, but tell that to the person that's just come through the door after a long shift, long commute and just wants to go to bed.
Sauces can be made without gluten. Although I certainly agree it rules out a lot of thickening agents. Pretty sure the most common one, cornflour, is still OK though.
And it doesn't have to take a huge amount of extra time and it takes no extra time vs a gluten containing home prepared meal. Many things can also be made in bulk and frozen. Soup being a prime candidate.
I think you're just trying to find the most convoluted scenarios possible - the fictional working man who can only afford jam sandwiches, earns minimum wage and has no time during the working week aside from commuting and working in between which he can only sleep? (I thought people who worked by the hour clocked on/clocked off or got paid overtime - this fictional poor working man with that little spare time must surely be putting in more than 8 hours a day, but then surely he'd be earning much more?)
I'd wager that about a quarter of the staples in your cupboard have some form of gluten in (in some form, even if it's not obvious). For example the base for a lot of sauces and recipes in Chinese and eastern cooking is soy sauce. Do you never use that?
Again, unless you actually have to follow a diet religiously then it's unlikely you'll ever really understand, especially when it's a diet that involves removing a staple ingredient that is prevalent in the majority of produced foods, whether by design (pies, bread etc) or because it's a cheap filler (wheat flour instead of corn flour for example).
Anyway I'll leave it at that. You can go on insisting that it's not true, even though it appears you have never actually had to experience it, at least for a reasonable period of time, even when two people that have actually had to experience it for decades (it's been 15 years for me) have told you that's not the case.
I do actually and my condition is a fair bit worse than just being gluten intolerant.
My argument was that Avenged's idea of a grant for food was a good idea. I then went further and suggested that it should be means tested so those on low income were the only ones that could get it. That's why I'm using a scenario like that.
Mildly put!