AR15, for when the Shotty just doesnt quite cut it..
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Noob question here for the gun folks but I'd have thought a pistol with 9mm or .45 hollow points would have had far more brute stopping power than an 5.56 fmj round?
Or given hes a civilian did he have hollow point rifle rounts in it?
Or given hes a civilian did he have hollow point rifle rounts in it?
the modes of fire is fixed. Any centrefire rifle is only available in bolt action. there is no possibility of semi or full auto. .22rimfire is available in semi auto.
As far as calibre goes yeah as long as your club has the facilities you can pretty much have any.
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Straight pull, under lever and thumb lever action too, still single fire though.
Probably due to the fact that, as the previous poster pointed out, bullets fired at any angle other than perfectly vertical definitely can be fatal and it's extremely unlikely that anyone holding and firing any gun will be able to fire it perfectly vertically. All the more so when it's a less than perfectly accurate gun (e.g. an AK-47) and even more so when they fire more than one bullet and even more so when they're firing on auto.
Although I'm not convinced that a bullet falling straight down under mavity alone would always be non-fatal. I think an unlucky hit could still be fatal.
The UK has very sensible self-defence laws, including it being legal to kill in defence of yourself or others. Genuine defence cases hardly ever go to trial. The last one I know of that did was an incident in which someone shot someone else through a window, i.e. when the person they killed was outside the house and had not broken in. That was deemed to be enough of a grey area to make a trial a good idea. The killer was acquitted on the grounds of reasonable force, thus establishing a legal precedent.
I personally know someone who was found by the police with a machete in his hand, blood on him and a wounded person on the floor who he had slashed with the machete. He really didn't help his position by refusing to drop the machete when the police ordered him to and he was of course arrested. And released shortly afterwards after the police investigated and found enough evidence to rule it reasonable force. No trial. I don't think he was charged with anything.
I'm glad I don't live in this popular fantasy UK that doesn't have strong defence laws. I'm glad it's not a real place.
*looks at location* I thought New England was the 'sensible' side of the US
I can't help but feel the girl getting 50-60 years or whatever seems overly harsh. But then it's a perfect example that getting guns involved in *any* scenario just escalates things beyond anyone's control. 3 people are dead and a girl who *could* have been brought out of the world of crime etc. and made a decent member of society will now just rot in jail. What a waste.
No civilian needs to own an AR15 or similar. End of story. The occupant could have had a pistol and we'd be looking at one dead robber and 3 in jail. You really think they would stick around once one of their buddies has been blown away?
Maybe they would have killed everyone in the house in anger and as revenge. People who arm themselves and break into a home that they know is occupied are not likely to be nice people. They're very likely to be violent, quite possibly for nothing more than their own enjoyment and rather more likely for revenge. Them being dead is a less bad outcome and probably the least bad outcome possible due to their own actions.
There aren't any girls involved here. She's a woman. An adult, not a child. Charging her with 3 murders is irrational and in my opinion immoral, but charging her with the most serious end of burglary and assault and false imprisonment and conspiracy to commit those crimes charges isn't. Maybe not 50-60 years, but a long sentence.
What I find interesting is that a lot of stuff isn't actually "banned" though it is effectively banned and/or people think its banned - but the interesting thing is that on paper if you can find reasonable justification there is a lot of stuff including in some cases full auto that you "could" own - in actuality pretty much no one has reasonable justification so it is effectively a ban.
Yep, there's a guy in my county with a tank on his certificate. Apparently it caused a stir when he applied but the home office put the police into check by saying as it was a manual loaded, rifled barrel it was their problem as it technically was a firearm.
People shoot all sorts at my range, we even have people would fire miniature cannons (cover by black powder).
By the way I'm good friends with the importer of Desert Tech in the U.K. - what rifle are you after?
It is only something I've been playing around with in the back of my mind - taken quite a liking to the SRS after Battlefield 4 (I'm aware of the cost). More something on the "bucket list" than something I'm rushing to do.
Yeah that's how it starts, then the next thing you know you have an AR15 and you can't decide what accessories you want on it so you buy them all - lol. And in the U.K. It is expensive, basically whatever the yanks pay in dollars add 50% to the nominal value and change the dollar sign to a pound sign.
I am led to believe the desert tech mdr will be about £2500, expensive but nothing compared to the bolt actions.
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If you are into that sort of rifle then there are some well priced ones hitting the market - i'm thinking Tikka t3 tac a1 or the Ruger Precision - which are both nearer the £1,500 mark
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The configuration of the SRS I was looking at before was just shy of £5K which was basically the full dollar retail value in £ heh.
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not really, a 5.56 will tend to warp and flip on its side when hitting a target, dumping a lot of energy, 9mm and .45 are heavier bullets, which is to make up for the lack of muzzle energy, same idea with hollow points is to make the bullet dump its energy quicker.
there's an obvious reason that militaries don't issue 9mm or .45acp as their primary combat weapon.
that said, there is .458 socom which is basically a .45 bullet on a .556 case, which is designed for greater stopping power.
pistols in general are 1 trick ponies- they're small, but when it comes to defending yourself a stocked weapon (even in a house) is going to have the plus points of controllability, more power and quicker follow up shots.