Mods that annoy you

MikeTheNative · 13 Apr 2017 at 09:01

matt100 said:
Thats nonsense, M Sport and AMG are as much trim levels as anything meaningful about performance these days.

Yeah that's what I don't like.

matt100 · 13 Apr 2017 at 09:34

Lol ok!

Dis86 · 13 Apr 2017 at 09:45

MikeTheNative said:
Yeah that's what I don't like.

So what's your take when a none M car has very good performance? Even surpassing previous m car performance?

Six6siX · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:05

Dis86 said:
So what's your take when a none M car has very good performance? Even surpassing previous m car performance?

It's still not a proper 'M' car. Simple as that.

Doesn't matter how it compares to previous generations - what does that have to do with where a vehicle sits in the manufacturers current range?

matt100 said:
Thats nonsense, M Sport and AMG are as much trim levels as anything meaningful about performance these days.

Not quite.

M Sport =/= M
AMG Line =/= AMG

Distinct difference but often overlooked.

MikeTheNative · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:07

Dis86 said:
So what's your take when a none M car has very good performance? Even surpassing previous m car performance?

It should be limited so the M badge drivers can still feel superior. :rolleyes:

I just believe that M and AMG . etc badges should stay on the performance cars of each range and not just be a trim level. Although I understand why manufacturers do it.

Dis86 · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:20

Six6siX said:
It's still not a proper 'M' car. Simple as that.

Doesn't matter how it compares to previous generations - what does that have to do with where a vehicle sits in the manufacturers current range?

Not quite.

M Sport =/= M
AMG Line =/= AMG

Distinct difference but often overlooked.

Define 'proper m car'.

ChrisD. · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:23

I'd personally say anything that BMW decide to call an M car, M3, M4 etc.

I did laugh when people said the FN2 is not a proper Type R.

Dis86 · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:25

MikeTheNative said:
It should be limited so the M badge drivers can still feel superior. I just believe that M and AMG . etc badges should stay on the performance cars of each range and not just be a trim level. Although I understand why manufacturers do it.

Again you're using the term performance car which has been bandied about. Is a 340i not a performance car? It's very quick. Handles very well.

matt100 · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:29

The fun part is it's whatever Merc and BMW says it is

Dis86 · 13 Apr 2017 at 10:30

matt100 said:
The fun part is it's whatever Merc and BMW says it is

Exactly. So you could have an m car with worse performance than a none m. Just because they're trying to appeal to different market segments.

Six6siX · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:25

Dis86 said:
Define 'proper m car'.

A car with a designated 'M' number. Not M Sport trim or M tech add ons.

Dis86 said:
Exactly. So you could have an m car with worse performance than a none m. Just because they're trying to appeal to different market segments.

You're comparing across generations again. An 'M' car isn't an 'M' car just because of it's performance.

I get the appeal of having a sporty looking M Sport BMW. But it's not an 'M' car.

Dis86 · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:31

Six6siX said:
A car with a designated 'M' number. Not M Sport trim or M tech add ons.

You're comparing across generations again. An 'M' car isn't an 'M' car just because of it's performance.

I get the appeal of having a sporty looking M Sport BMW. But it's not an 'M' car.

I'm not comparing across generations at all. Compare an m5 vs an m140i for example around a track.

Six6siX · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:35

Dis86 said:
I'm not comparing across generations at all. Compare an m5 vs an m140i for example around a track.

Does the M140i have the M in the name because of it's trim level? Or is it only available as an M designated car?

Wink · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:42

Bog standard every day cars with massively loud aftermarket exhausts.

Stupidly loud exhausts are annoying full stop but when it's on a 1.0L Corsa it just winds me up a bit more.

crinkleshoes · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:46

MikeTheNative said:
To be fair you can get 'msport/amg' package on diesels direct from the manufacturer now. I do agree it's stupid though.

Exactly - annoys me just as much when the manufacturers do it as when it's some Barry boy.

matt100 said:
Thats nonsense, M Sport and AMG are as much trim levels as anything meaningful about performance these days.

Doesn't have to annoy you, annoys me

M/AMG/etc have their meaning devalued by such silliness.

crinkleshoes · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:47

Dis86 said:
So what's your take when a none M car has very good performance? Even surpassing previous m car performance?

Call it a sport or do something different, don't make it look like a fake M/AMG

matt100 · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:47

Dis86 said:
I'm not comparing across generations at all. Compare an m5 vs an m140i for example around a track.

So do you struggle to tell the difference between an M4 and a 420d in M sport trim? Or do you worry that others may mistake your proper M car for a taxi or something?

Such a weird thing to get annoyed about..

Edit: But I totally take your point, horses for course and all that and it works for irritation too!

crinkleshoes · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:48

Dis86 said:
Again you're using the term performance car which has been bandied about. Is a 340i not a performance car? It's very quick. Handles very well.

Still not at M car...

crinkleshoes · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:49

Dis86 said:
I'm not comparing across generations at all. Compare an m5 vs an m140i for example around a track.

The M5 wins... although it's brakes will fade quicker if it doesn't have carbon ceramics

crinkleshoes · 13 Apr 2017 at 11:50

Wink said:
Bog standard every day cars with massively loud aftermarket exhausts.

Stupidly loud exhausts are annoying full stop but when it's on a 1.0L Corsa it just winds me up a bit more.

That makes me laugh at them because they've sacrificed torque to make it "more sporty" hehehe