United Airlines - Board the plane as a doctor, leave as a patient!

Avenged7Fold · 13 Apr 2017 at 14:13

I think you can assume that saying that they will forcibly remove people will be film worthy enough.

His behaviour aside, all the other passengers seem to be siding with the doctor and i dont think you can say security and the airliner handled things poorly overall. While the pilot can choose to have anyone removed, i dont think there is any mention of him being involved in the situation. Security did not properly restrain him and instead hit him with unnecessary brutality.

Legal or not, the whole thing was very unprofessional and the higher ups involved have accepted that and apologised.

StriderX · 13 Apr 2017 at 14:13

Well he was RANDOMLY selected, I'd be miffed enough to start a verbal battle aswell.

Fishbait · 13 Apr 2017 at 15:20

Scam said:
Unfortunately planes aren't democratic. The Captain has full authority to eject anyone he wishes. And as said above, airlines are not places to argue with the authorities nowadays.

There's a new video posted of the argument preceding him being dragged off. He was threatening to sue before anyone got near him. Clown. http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...ght-3411-chicago-o-hare-airport-a7681531.html

One can also assume that for the argument to have gotten 'interesting' enough for people to start filming at that point in time, there was probably a lot more discussion that happened before the events that we see on camera.

First thing I did when opening that link & seeing "United Airline’s stock drops $1.4 billion" was exclaim "Wow! They're screwed" hehe.

Washout · 13 Apr 2017 at 15:42

Nobody looks good in this. To escalate it to that point, running back in to the seat screaming... have a bit of dignity!

I do wonder how long he's been advised to stay in Hospital to maximise the ensuing civil suit. He's going to be a millionaire.
It's a massive inconvenience and the airline should have offered more compensation until someone took it but it's either that or have 250 angry people sat somewhere else not being able to take off because their flight crew couldn't get to the plane being stuck 300 miles away.

stuman · 13 Apr 2017 at 15:59

Company with ability to refuse people carriage refuses carriage to person doesn't leave, acts like child. Security is used to remove man.

World goes crazy?!

To be fair, I would have just sat the plane there until 4 people got off, mob rules, everybody would eventually get so peed off, they'd remove them.

muon · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:10

Tefal said:
why do you think this?

the EU has the same rules as America regarding it except the compensation cap is lower

£600 vs $1350

so you're more protected in the US than EU

$1350 is the internal company policy of United where they can offer up to $1350 for overbooked flights. Not that they will. As seen by this example they didn't go above $800.

The EU rule is law.

There is zero chance United would have paid the equivalent of £600 on a cancelled flight for every passenger, as per EU law for 4hr+ delays.

V F · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:23

Fishbait said:
New inflight headsets for on United Airlines.

h4rm0ny said:
Hee! That's one of the best yet.

Heh!

"I'm not wearing hockey pads."

Mark A · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:41

There is something not right with that guy. Why is he stood there chanting "please kill me"? First world problems...

jubei · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:46

He should have got off when asked as far as i am concerned, people are bandwagon jumping as usual. If he refused and nobody would take comp to get off and the plane just sat there for hours people would have been kicking off too. Why is a grown man screaming and hanging onto things like a child?

Obviously what to believe and not to believe is up in the air with the rubbish going around but my understanding is that he was on a standby ticket hence picked to leave the flight, and he thrashed about causing his head injury himself, he wasn't punched.

As for people saying they should offer more, how much? Where do you set the limit? If silly money people would never volunteer until silly money was offered again. I really do think people are ridiculous kicking off over this.

Greebo · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:47

Washout said:
Nobody looks good in this. To escalate it to that point, running back in to the seat screaming... have a bit of dignity!

I do wonder how long he's been advised to stay in Hospital to maximise the ensuing civil suit. He's going to be a millionaire.
It's a massive inconvenience and the airline should have offered more compensation until someone took it but it's either that or have 250 angry people sat somewhere else not being able to take off because their flight crew couldn't get to the plane being stuck 300 miles away.

Except the end result was the whole flight got cancelled and every passenger got compensation and the crew never made it to the next flight anyway.

Washout · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:50

Greebo said:
Except the end result was the whole flight got cancelled and every passenger got compensation and the crew never made it to the next flight anyway.

Maybe the airline should sue the doc then!

V F · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:57

Greebo said:
Except the end result was the whole flight got cancelled and every passenger got compensation and the crew never made it to the next flight anyway.

Where did you find that out?

Greebo · 13 Apr 2017 at 16:58

V F said:
Where did you find that out?

I am sure I read it somewhere........let me see if I can find it.

No sorry my mistake, it was delayed 4 hrs so it ruined the need for the crew to be on the flight in the first place.

Trifid · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:00

jubei said:
He should have got off when asked as far as i am concerned

You would have got off without question, missing the next day of work? I know I wouldn't be so accommodating and I would not expect to have got beaten up over it either as long a my temper was in check.

dowie · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:00

Well obviously everything

muon said:
$1350 is the internal company policy of United where they can offer up to $1350 for overbooked flights. Not that they will. As seen by this example they didn't go above $800.

The EU rule is law.

There is zero chance United would have paid the equivalent of £600 on a cancelled flight for every passenger, as per EU law for 4hr+ delays.

so when we sign in the massive bill transferring EU rules and regs into UK law - you've got some prior knowledge that MPs are going to specifically remove parts relating to compensation for missed flights?

Avenged7Fold · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:04

Trifid said:
You would have got off without question, missing the next day of work? I know I wouldn't be so accommodating.

I certainly wouldn't. They normally are required to hand you documentation telling you why you are being bumped and the criteria used to select you. This is done at the gate prior to boarding. In this case procedure was not followed likely due to it happening on the plane.

muon · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:08

dowie said:
Well obviously everything

so when we sign in the massive bill transferring EU rules and regs into UK law - you've got some prior knowledge that MPs are going to specifically remove parts relating to compensation for missed flights?

Huh? What's that got to do with anything.

I was pointing out how Tefal's interpretation of the whole situation is wrong. US law isn't better for consumers on this issue than the EU.

dowie · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:09

muon said:
Huh? What's that got to do with anything.

it was the premise of the whole conversation if you follow the quotes:

holymonk said:
This will start happening on UK flights now we are leaving the EU.

muon · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:10

dowie said:
it was the premise of the whole conversation if you follow the quotes:

It may have been, but Tefal's post is factually incorrect whatever the premise is.

Also the premise as you put it is still valid. The EU has been pro consumer for a very long time. There is no guarantee we will copy EU law going forwards.

Uther · 13 Apr 2017 at 17:12

Two teeth knocked out and a broken nose. Kerching!