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Is a GTX 1080ti overkill for a 1080p monitor? I don't think so.

ARK is pretty impossible to test
i play on a RP server and loading in all the buildings lags like hell
that test was a empty server with nothing
ARK does strain the gpu pretty huge tho, where as overwatch is the other way around and its a cpu limit for me i think
 
1080ti overclocked and running full settings at 1080p in ARK:survival evolved


averages 45-48fps in woodland and will be even less around big structures/bases. Clearly it isn't overkill.

No such thing as overkill. That said ARK is a POS game regarding performance. Its so horribly done and there is no excuse for the lack of performance in that game. So many things about that game scream amateur hour from a technical standpoint.
 
some games are pos and will never change through their life.so there is no such thing as overkill as there is always games even at 1080 that will take on even the top end cards.if its games like that you play then its fine.

also newer monitors it does help.
 
Take a look at the likes of Assassin's Creed Syndicate or Unity and pop all the settings to the max and you will see some serious frame kills. The trouble is, the game engine is from 2008 and has so many add on's to make it look good, frames just suffer. Don't get me wrong, those games are gorgeous but when you play the likes of The Division, turn everything up and you are left with a stunning game that runs really well, BF1 is another and many others I could mention. It isn't lazy developers but game engines are expensive and takes a long time to make.
 
No such thing as overkill. That said ARK is a POS game regarding performance. Its so horribly done and there is no excuse for the lack of performance in that game. So many things about that game scream amateur hour from a technical standpoint.

I wasn't interested in how well optimised it is. Merely stating if you play Ark then the 1080ti isn't overkill currently.

There is an excuse, optimisation hasn't been done. Someone made a video a few weeks back where they made their own asset optimisation for base walls and dropped it to something like 1/5 of the Computational load. It really helped the FPS. But if currently playing... A 1080ti at 1080p will give you a performance edge.
 
Each to their own, but all I read is that a 1080/ti is a waste of money if you are playing on a 1080p monitor. This feedback comes from reviewers and users, and personally I disagree, even thought I know we are at the stage where we can hit 60fps@4k.
I am one of those rare people who uses vsync in all games because I don't like tearing or variable framerates and I want my GPU to be powerful enough to never drop below my refresh rate.
Gaming with a butter smooth vsync'd 120 or 144fps is awesome. I don't know how I ever managed with just 60fps in the past. Going up in resolution, compromises these high framerates and I don't think I will be going 4k for a while. My next jump will be to 1440p when I can hit no less than 120fps in all games at max detail.
Also, I can add a bit of DSR to give the card a bit of a workout if needed. I think I will be sticking with my 1080p monitor for at least another 12 months before jumping to 1440p.
What do you guys think?

You should be looking at going with G-sync and no it's not overkill if you want a 120-144hz experience, Some titles won't even manage that. In my opinion a 1440p 144-165hz G-sync monitor would go perfect with a 1080ti, But as you said I suppose 1080p is the best res if you want to always be in the 100 res spot and you have dsr to add when you have the spare gpu power. You definitely want to be looking into G-sync though.

1080ti overclocked and running full settings at 1080p in ARK:survival evolved


averages 45-48fps in woodland and will be even less around big structures/bases. Clearly it isn't overkill.

Sadly there will always be games where the dev team are not up to the task of optimizing it as well as it could be done, Another example is where it's the engine that bottlenecks the game.
We get that problem with the X-ray engine that was used in the STALKER games. Another weakness can be the cpu and the list goes on :) You simply can't guarantee a blanket minimum across all games regardless of how powerful your gpu is.
 
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I wasn't interested in how well optimised it is. Merely stating if you play Ark then the 1080ti isn't overkill currently.

There is an excuse, optimisation hasn't been done. Someone made a video a few weeks back where they made their own asset optimisation for base walls and dropped it to something like 1/5 of the Computational load. It really helped the FPS. But if currently playing... A 1080ti at 1080p will give you a performance edge.

I know people who have been running it and off for years and I have played it too,it is one of the worst coded games in 10 years - look at the video you posted. The player character is just running around in the video - performance gets worse when you are fighting or building settlements,so that shows even a GTX1080TI is rubbish for the game. 36FPS to 48FPS just running around - seriously?? This is an online game.

So basically you have showed its not even worth buying a GTX1080TI and trying to run the game on max settings since framerates are rubbish - you might as well not bother and drop settings,which is what literally everybody I know does with the game.
 
Ark is a nvidia game too. It was supposed to get a DX12 patch last year that never happened. In Fact forcing the game to run in DX10 gets better performance than DX11 but at reduced visuals obviously. I can hit a nice constant 60FPS at 1440p in DX10. It's an addictive game but it's not very optimised. Unreal engine 4 too so worst running game on this engine ive experienced tbh.
 
I personally wouldn't recommend a 1080Ti for 1080P but there is no such thing as overkill.

Agreed. The only circumstance where a GPU like the 1080ti would be suitable for a 1080p monitor is if the monitor is high refresh rate (AKA 144Hz). A 1080ti would certainly be overkill for a 1080p60 monitor.

The sad thing is, I know someone who is planning to build a PC fairly soon and their build they've come up with includes a 1080ti paired with a bottom of the barrel 1080p60 monitor (I've not had a chance to talk some sense into them yet)...
 
I wasn't interested in how well optimised it is. Merely stating if you play Ark then the 1080ti isn't overkill currently.

There is an excuse, optimisation hasn't been done. Someone made a video a few weeks back where they made their own asset optimisation for base walls and dropped it to something like 1/5 of the Computational load. It really helped the FPS. But if currently playing... A 1080ti at 1080p will give you a performance edge.

interesting. Do you have a link to this guy and his work?
 
interesting. Do you have a link to this guy and his work?

https://www.reddit.com/r/playark/comments/622c11/ark_performance_issuesi_fixed_some_frame_issues/

So he's reduced the model quality by a lot and got a 30% fps increase. The ark devs said he's reduced it so much its lost a lot of 3d detail, but admits their models will have a few thousand polys shaved off when they do optimise as they just haven't done any of that yet. This is only one model as well, producing smaller poly reductions to more models would have a bigger and smoother effect.
 
I know people who have been running it and off for years and I have played it too,it is one of the worst coded games in 10 years - look at the video you posted. The player character is just running around in the video - performance gets worse when you are fighting or building settlements,so that shows even a GTX1080TI is rubbish for the game. 36FPS to 48FPS just running around - seriously?? This is an online game.

So basically you have showed its not even worth buying a GTX1080TI and trying to run the game on max settings since framerates are rubbish - you might as well not bother and drop settings,which is what literally everybody I know does with the game.

Think you missed my point mate.
 
Think you missed my point mate.

I think you missed mine - trying to use ARK as an indicator of anything is like trying to throw money into a bottomless pit - its been terribad from the beginning. They are on purpose not optimising the game better so they can save on R and D costs - they have had years and they cannot be bothered.

Its like all the people who try to use games like Planetside 2 as a performance indicator for CPUs - its very CPU taxing,but in the end even throwing hardware at it won't solve performance problems,as people have found to their chagrin.

Hardware enthusiasts on forums need to apply some common sense to things - many games or engines are poorly optimised,or are made to scale massively beyond what is available. People never got that with Crysis - you could push the image quality higher with manual tweaks to the configuration file - it is why it can even push modern cards at 4K even now but you had all these people moaning about performance back then after doing that. There were certain settings in-game which tanked performance in the game at launch which had virtually no image quality improvements like DX10,etc.

Even then the whole culture of "maxing out" is pointless,its fun to do,but still pointless - there are certain types of AA which are just plain stupid and only exist for people measurebating over screenshots or for AMD/Nvidia to sell more expensive cards,whilst drip feeding the performance improvements more and more. If there is a genuine improvement in things fair enough,but if you need to spend £1400 instead of £500 just for increasing a few more settings by a notch or two,then I would rather drop the settings.

That is just me OFC,but YMMV.
 
I think you missed mine - trying to use ARK as an indicator of anything is like trying to throw money into a bottomless pit - its been terribad from the beginning. They are on purpose not optimising the game better so they can save on R and D costs - they have had years and they cannot be bothered.

Its like all the people who try to use games like Planetside 2 as a performance indicator for CPUs - its very CPU taxing,but in the end even throwing hardware at it won't solve performance problems,as people have found to their chagrin.

Hardware enthusiasts on forums need to apply some common sense to things - many games or engines are poorly optimised,or are made to scale massively beyond what is available. People never got that with Crysis - you could push the image quality higher with manual tweaks to the configuration file - it is why it can even push modern cards at 4K even now but you had all these people moaning about performance back then after doing that. There were certain settings in-game which tanked performance in the game at launch which had virtually no image quality improvements like DX10,etc.

Even then the whole culture of "maxing out" is pointless,its fun to do,but still pointless - there are certain types of AA which are just plain stupid and only exist for people measurebating over screenshots or for AMD/Nvidia to sell more expensive cards,whilst drip feeding the performance improvements more and more. If there is a genuine improvement in things fair enough,but if you need to spend £1400 instead of £500 just for increasing a few more settings by a notch or two,then I would rather drop the settings.

That is just me OFC,but YMMV.

Yeah, you missed it.
 
You're wasting your time with hardware enthusiasts lol. They've got performance fever and they've got it bad. Better get some 1080ti's in SLI guys. MOAH POWAHHHH! You know I'm right!

Ark doesn't play well with SLI or crossfire. Hardly a hardware enthusiast, my point was that a 1080ti can't max all games at 1080p at 60fps as some people have said in here and that if you do play ark (as lots of people do) then a 1080ti can bring an edge because it'll perform better. Somehow that simplicity got lost and it turned into using outliers as single indication of performance and upgrade justification. I never said that to be the case ;) Instead, CTF went on an irrelevant waffle about a load of stuff that was simply not being discussed.
 
You're wasting your time with hardware enthusiasts lol. They've got performance fever and they've got it bad. Better get some 1080ti's in SLI guys. MOAH POWAHHHH! You know I'm right!

Agreed,he is just going on some irrelevant waffle without actually bothering to play the game,and cherry picking that to justify his argument and nobody is agreeing with him. Using his absurd metrics he might as well not bother even buying any card since ARK which is a POS runs at rubbish framerates just running about not doing anything, and the OP stated they want 120FPS at 1080p.

Everybody I know who actually plays the game(apart from him) thinks its a poorly optimised game and runs it at lower settings. They tried throwing hardware at it and realised its a fools errand apart from people on forums who make desperate excuses for a dev who clearly does not care.

There is a saying about fools and the money - the devs behind ARK could spend money making it run better,but they don't need to when people would rather spend £700 just to try and make it run a bit better.

LMAO,hardware enthusiasts justifying £700 to run a game at 1080p and at a "cinematic" sub 60FPS.

This is why PC games are often in such a mess - people excuse making for years with ARK is why it will probably never be fixed for another few years.

The devs are laughing.
 
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Agreed,he is just going on some irrelevant waffle without actually bothering to play the game,and cherry picking that to justify his argument and nobody is agreeing with him. Using his absurd metrics he might as well not bother even buying any card since ARK which is a POS runs at rubbish framerates just running about not doing anything, and the OP stated they want 120FPS in it too. Everybiody I know who actually plays the game(apart from him) thinks its a poorly optimised game and runs it at lower settings.

There is a saying about fools and the money - the devs behind ARK could spend money making it run better,but they don't need to when people like him would rather spend £700 just to try and make it run a bit better.

This is the biggest lol i've seen all day. cheers dude, needed that :D
 
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