NK vs USA

The drums are beating...

In an unusual move, the entire US Senate is being called to the White House for a briefing on North Korea.
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The briefing, involving 100 senators as well as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defence Secretary James Mattis, is being held on Wednesday.
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Aides, quoted by Reuters, say the House of Representatives is seeking a similar briefing on North Korea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39694640
 
Reading about the Thaad system the US are deploying.
I don't understand why there are protests about it in South Korea and why China consider it 'destabilising'.
It's purely a defensive system as far as I understand.
 
Reading about the Thaad system the US are deploying.
I don't understand why there are protests about it in South Korea and why China consider it 'destabilising'.
It's purely a defensive system as far as I understand.

because the dream of any combat scenario is being able to fire without the enemy being able to fire back, nobody likes the knowledge that any military power they have is being eroded by their enemy.
 
Reading about the Thaad system the US are deploying.
I don't understand why there are protests about it in South Korea and why China consider it 'destabilising'.
It's purely a defensive system as far as I understand.

If NK were going to attack the south they'd have done it by now, with recent sabre rattling from Trump and everything that's happening it looks like preparations for war.
 
If NK were going to attack the south they'd have done it by now, with recent sabre rattling from Trump and everything that's happening it looks like preparations for war.

Uhh... they've attacked South korea numerous times, the torp'd frigate and the island artillery.
 
If NK were going to attack the south they'd have done it by now, with recent sabre rattling from Trump and everything that's happening it looks like preparations for war.

America's primary concern is America, they can't let North Korea develop an ICBM with the ability to strike North America with a nuclear warhead. The reason being is that the NK leadership aren't rational, they don't care about their own people, they're a complete wild card and as such need they may very well one day strike mainland America
 
This is an interesting video explaining the situation:


My personal worry is not the tactics of the fallout zone of a single nuke, if the NK artillery can reach Seoul etc, it's the economic impact. If Trump or NK kick off in a serious fashion the very sudden, very violent loss of life in a developed city like Seoul could completely crash the markets, lead to food and fuel hoarding, runs on the banks etc. We would inadvertently bring about the collapse of our own countries without NK evening getting a single nuke off of a launcher.
 
My personal worry is not the tactics of the fallout zone of a single nuke, if the NK artillery can reach Seoul etc, it's the economic impact. If Trump or NK kick off in a serious fashion the very sudden, very violent loss of life in a developed city like Seoul could completely crash the markets, lead to food and fuel hoarding, runs on the banks etc. We would inadvertently bring about the collapse of our own countries without NK evening getting a single nuke off of a launcher.

While there are approx. 100,000 South Koreans in range of North Korean artillery only ~3% of it has enough range to hit Seoul and even then not very reliably.
 
Reading about the Thaad system the US are deploying.
I don't understand why there are protests about it in South Korea and why China consider it 'destabilising'.
It's purely a defensive system as far as I understand.

If you have a strong defence, it allows you to be strong on offence.
 
While there are approx. 100,000 South Koreans in range of North Korean artillery only ~3% of it has enough range to hit Seoul and even then not very reliably.
They have enough to land hundreds of 170mm shells in Seoul every minute, the people of Seoul would probably notice that...
 
They have enough to land hundreds of 170mm shells in Seoul every minute, the people of Seoul would probably notice that...

Not to trivialise the threat but a lot of Seoul is realistically out of the range even of their 170mm guns - IIRC the nearest installation is 50km from the centre and most are 70km and the guns have a range of 40km realistically but can potentially hit to 60km - I still wouldn't be in a hurry to hang around Seoul if they started shooting though :O
 
While there are approx. 100,000 South Koreans in range of North Korean artillery only ~3% of it has enough range to hit Seoul and even then not very reliably.
I get you, but you have to think of it from a stock market point of view. If it happens brokers aren't going to be saying 'hmm let's check out the military strategy, looks like we'll win it' they're going to be saying '**** I need to sell all my shares in Samsung'.

Obviously this is a gross over-simplification, but hopefully you get my point.
 
^^ I get your point - even without hitting Seoul they would have a significant economic impact and there is nothing like uncertainty to mess with a stock market.
 
Not to trivialise the threat but a lot of Seoul is realistically out of the range even of their 170mm guns
Seoul is ~30KM from the border, if they wanted to hit the centre of Seoul they could do it from over 20KM inside NK. It's something they have been planning for half a century, they are well equipped to do it and have hundreds of artillery pieces zeroed in.
 
The edge of Seoul is ~30km from the border but not every position is suitable for employing artillery from (shelter from counter battery fire, etc. has to be taken into account). Most of it is right on the extreme of maximum range just hitting the outer parts of the city.

EDIT: Point was though its likely the actual impact on Seoul will be a lot less than the on paper numbers of their massed artillery (which at face value would level the city in like an hour) - none the least they would likely employ tactics of staggered shooting to make it difficult for return fire against their guns.
 
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