Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting


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LOL some idiot on Sky with regards to Theresa May exposing the EU trying to interfere with the election: "the best UK government for the EU is a stable one so they know who they're negotiating with" errrm no... the best UK government for the EU is a pro-EU stooge like Tim Farron who will reverse Brexit.
 
As far as I'm concerned good. Raise the bill to 200 billion, essentially as high as it needs to go before the idiots who voted for it realise it isn't going to work.

Thanks to the EU vote people I work with are using their job (British nationals working in higher education)

Was that part of your Brexit dream?

This is quite bizarre to see - people so miffed by the vote that they actually desire to see the UK actively harmed as some form of vindication. It is as silly as the UKIP'ers who want to see the whole EU crash and burn.
 
You were just praising the Swiss system in the previous post so I wasn't quite clear. What do you mean in this context by the second two sentences re: healthcare? In particular: "We need direction from other countries who have advanced in areas we haven't"

Ability to think outwith the BS that is British 'value' which at the moment seems to be stuck in a repetitive cycle of tory colonial tradition. Massively out of date and touch to the people of the country.
 
As far as I'm concerned good. Raise the bill to 200 billion, essentially as high as it needs to go before the idiots who voted for it realise it isn't going to work.

Thanks to the EU vote people I work with are using their job (British nationals working in higher education)

Was that part of your Brexit dream?

Dont you see that the ridiculous demands arent going to stop brexit - they will either enable a very hard brexit (as favoured by juncker) or make the EU look foolish when it only gets a tiny proportion.
 
This is quite bizarre to see - people so miffed by the vote that they actually desire to see the UK actively harmed as some form of vindication. It is as silly as the UKIP'ers who want to see the whole EU crash and burn.

If this is what is takes to highlight electoral lies and fraud so many seem to have bought into, sure this is what I wish for.
 
This is quite bizarre to see - people so miffed by the vote that they actually desire to see the UK actively harmed as some form of vindication. It is as silly as the UKIP'ers who want to see the whole EU crash and burn.

Agreed - its just bizarre.
 
Ability to think outwith the BS that is British 'value' which at the moment seems to be stuck in a repetitive cycle of tory colonial tradition. Massively out of date and touch to the people of the country.

Yes but what do you actually mean, you're just throwing around what seem to be meaningless platitudes now. I mean you're adamant that we must continue with the NHS but then also make statements praising the Swiss system and how we need direction from other countries - yet they run a system based on insurance payments. It seems a bit conflicted.
 
Yes but what do you actually mean, you're just throwing around what seem to be meaningless platitudes now. I mean you're adamant that we must continue with the NHS but then also make statements praising the Swiss system and how we need direction from other countries - yet they run a system based on insurance payments. It seems a bit conflicted.

What I said first of all then how I followed up after confirms what I meant. The only conflict I can see here is the conflict of your own interest.
 
Another referendum would. Or are you too frightened to try again?

I don't want another one, but I would expect that many peoples' positions have hardened rather than changed. Given all the mud-slinging right now it just makes me think that maybe the EU really is exactly what I'd suspected it was.
 
Proportionally, more privatisation occurred under Labour though, so that argument doesn't really stack up, does it?

It you're going to quote a random graph at least quote it's source... Daily Mail reference doesn't really stack up, does it? :p

Independent has the figures up at 12.5%

Department of Health figures claim it has more than doubled in the hands of the Cons.

The figures don't easily allow you to compare elective private care, ie where people have chosen private treatment over NHS treatment, of which the NHS budget still funds a portion.
 
I don't want another one, but I would expect that many peoples' positions have hardened rather than changed. Given all the mud-slinging right now it just makes me think that maybe the EU really is exactly what I'd suspected it was.

If your opinion is so biased to one side of the debate, maybe you should question where you get your information from?
 
I cannot vote for Labour, they're disjointed. I mean not long ago they were after Corbyn's resignation weren't they? If they won they'd spend the next x years infighting, sod that. I also couldn't trust them to negotiate a good deal.
As the conservatives gave us the Brexit vote, it would seem right to let them carry it through, even though I'm not a fan of Brexit. Personally, I do think we should have another vote once a deal is hammered out. Some believe Brexit should have required a 70% majority, 52% is just too slim and we need to check again we are happy with the path being taken once we know more about what Brexit will actually be.
Because of the above I'm tempted to vote lib dem's, but need to read up a lot more before casting my vote.
 
LOL some idiot on Sky with regards to Theresa May exposing the EU trying to interfere with the election: "the best UK government for the EU is a stable one so they know who they're negotiating with" errrm no... the best UK government for the EU is a pro-EU stooge like Tim Farron who will reverse Brexit.
Exactly why they are doing this. They want to ensure we get the worse deal possible which will ensure 2 things. The UK will not go for the deal and possibly stay in the EU. Secondly they will send a message to anyone wanting to vote Le Pen, Five star etc. It is a win situation for them to go into the negotiation with this approach. They have also tried to break the negotiation into 2 parts. We have to basically give them what they want before they can even discuss what we want. This isn't how negotiating works. This approach by the EU will lead to hard Brexit. That is at least the impression they want to give. However we need to stick to our guns. The EU will come under immense pressure internally to do a good deal. We need a very strong government to do this and the more seats aligned to Brexit the better. The EU can not try to divide and conquer our parliament. We will divide and conquer the EU by dealing with individual countries privately.

We should begin focusing on getting deals with commonwealth countries as well as the EEA and Switzerland. Then go further than this with other countries. We have the freedom to do this now. The Ireland border could also be solved if they left the EU. Either leave completely or move to the Swiss or EEA position so that we can setup an agreement more easily.
 
If your opinion is so biased to one side of the debate, maybe you should question where you get your information from?

I was a marginal 'tipping point' voter so hardly at the extreme end. Leaving the EU will be a pain in the rear for me work-wise so that was not an insignificant consideration for me. I got to vote both ways anyway thanks to a proxy vote. ;)

I'm just not impressed with all the sabre rattling that's all (that includes our lot too). Also I'm quite capable of getting news from sources other than the daily fail/Graun/Beeb thanks.
 
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