Le Vote, France start to elect a new president

mmj_uk · 5 May 2017 at 17:41

Greebo said:
And Farage standing up on stage at a Trump rally supporting him as "the leader of the UK" is any different?

Farage didn't actually endorse him though he just talked about Brexit and told people to get out and campaign if they wanted to win and not to listen to the polls, at worst he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. Leader of UKIP btw.

V F · 5 May 2017 at 17:58

D.P. said:
How is that interfering, he is providing an opinion in an unofficial role based on his experience.

Why didn't past presidents not do it if it was so important?

Sankari · 5 May 2017 at 18:00

mmj_uk said:
Farage didn't actually endorse him though he just talked about Brexit and told people to get out and campaign if they wanted to win and not to listen to the polls, at worst he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. Leader of UKIP btw.

Was Farage still leader at that stage? I seem to recall that he fled the party in July, after finally realising his political irrelevance: 'Nigel Farage resigns: Anger at 'coward' Ukip leader after post-Brexit resignation.'

Venting their frustration on Twitter, the 52-year-old MEP was accused of cowardice for leaving frontline politics while the country grapples with the nature of the UK’s exit from the European Union.

Sankari · 5 May 2017 at 18:02

V F said:
Why didn't past presidents not do it if it was so important?

That's a double negative. Would you care to rephrase it so people have a coherent sentence to reply to?

Yas786 · 5 May 2017 at 19:17

V F said:
Seriously? You really need an explanation on that?

Yes seriously.

Still waiting for your explanation on how it is considered interfering.

D.P. · 5 May 2017 at 19:46

V F said:
Why didn't past presidents not do it if it was so important?

Who said it is important?

You would ahve to ask the previous presidents, perhaps they were simply lazy or didn't care?

Tefal · 5 May 2017 at 20:13

Greebo said:
And Farage standing up on stage at a Trump rally supporting him as "the leader of the UK" is any different?

Since when was farage the pm?

Greebo · 5 May 2017 at 20:17

Tefal said:
Since when was farage the pm?

Trump called him the Leader of the UK. So guess he is. Shrugs. It was hilarious at the time.

Greebo · 5 May 2017 at 20:24

mmj_uk said:
Farage didn't actually endorse him though he just talked about Brexit and told people to get out and campaign if they wanted to win and not to listen to the polls, at worst he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. Leader of UKIP btw.

Trump referred to him later as the Leader of the UK which I know he wasn't.
But how can anybody say that Farage going on stage at a rally of Trumps isn't endorsing him whereas as a eu leader saying congratulations to Marcon and good luck in the next round is interfering? Wow.

Tefal · 5 May 2017 at 20:51

Greebo said:
Trump called him the Leader of the UK. So guess he is. Shrugs. It was hilarious at the time.

Lmao really??

Tefal · 5 May 2017 at 20:55

Greebo said:
Trump referred to him later as the Leader of the UK which I know he wasn't.
But how can anybody say that Farage going on stage at a rally of Trumps isn't endorsing him whereas as a eu leader saying congratulations to Marion and good luck in the next round is interfering? Wow.

I do think leaders would be sensible to stick to thw old convention of not getting involved for the simple fact the candidate they back may lose and thier endorsement could affect future relations with the winner they snubbed.

It seems very self centered the risk is minor but the future and whats best for the country should come first.

Something that seems lost on this me me me ego driven politics of late.

Trump, clinton, camaron, may etc none seem to have a self sacrificing bone in thier body

delta0 · 5 May 2017 at 22:24

Seems like Wikileaks are getting involved if their twitter page is to be believed.

VincentHanna · 5 May 2017 at 22:27

Wikileaks seem to just be a front for Russia these days.

Tefal · 5 May 2017 at 22:32

Wikileaks will end up a politicsl football used by the unscrupulous on all sides

delta0 · 5 May 2017 at 22:33

VincentHanna said:
Wikileaks seem to just be a front for Russia these days.

They have confirmed it is from the US.

Greebo · 5 May 2017 at 22:34

4chan is doing everything to get Pen elected and discredit Marcon

dowie · 5 May 2017 at 22:36

4chan seems to have rather an inflated opinion of their influence

delta0 · 5 May 2017 at 22:44

Tefal said:
Wikileaks will end up a politicsl football used by the unscrupulous on all sides

It is weird that this is even featuring in elections. It seems the days of normal elections are long gone.

mmj_uk · 6 May 2017 at 00:25

DM are reporting on the currently unverified email leaks:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4478738/French-election-blown-open-email-leak.html

I guess the most interesting part of the article is that they say Macron's campaign have confirmed they've been hacked.

A large trove of emails purporting to be from Emmanuel Macron's presidential campaign was posted online tonight.

Some nine gigabytes of data were posted by a user called EMLEAKS to Pastebin, a document-sharing site that allows anonymous posting.

Macron's political movement En Marche! (Onwards!) confirmed that it had been hacked.

A statement read: 'The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information.'

edit:

Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack as documents leaked
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39827244

The campaign of French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron says it has been the target of a "massive hacking attack" after a trove of documents was released online.

The campaign said that genuine files were mixed up with fake ones in order to confuse people.

[FnG]magnolia · 6 May 2017 at 00:31

dowie said:
4chan seems to have rather an inflated opinion of their influence

Indeed. They seem to be relying on their minor historical 'successes' where, to be fair, they did influence a few notable outcomes, none of which compare in any meaningful way to the things they're trying to sway these days. 4chan is basically reddit but fatter, older, drunker, and more hateful.

Somehow.