So you just going to keep ignoring all my other points? And are you know suggesting students do it unpaid?
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well I presume they still count as if they didn't why would UKIP suggest seasonal workers get replaced by students? If they don't count now you don't even need suggest it do you?
Honestly, as someone probably half the age of Chris, I used to pick fruit from the age of 13. I really enjoyed it actually and was paid way more than a lousy paper round. That was a pick your own place that sold pre picked fruit as well though, not some big industrial place that may have been very different culturally!
Replacing the tens/hundreds of thousands of full time seasonal workers that way may be a struggle though!
Edit: last time I liked fruit was about 12 years ago.
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Yes... that was the point.
There's too many people playing with extremes on both sides of this argument. Ultimately, the EU still needs us, and we still need them. The potential tragedy is that this is forgotten during all the posturing and chest thumping. I find it more than a little worrying that the more hostile the Prime Minister's rhetoric gets, the further the Tory lead seems to increase.
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why would she call a election shouldnt she be focus's on the deal with europe
That's the silly thing, Brexit being a success doesn't necessarily mean the EU need break up - what it might mean is some other individual countries decide they're better off outside. If anything it can be a positive thing for both sides if they're prepared to negotiate sensibly - the EU no longer had the UK blocking closer integration for a start. Sadly the EU has already thrown in some silliness re: Gibraltar, the meeting leaks (which Merkel was not happy with) and the various additional items for the settlement bill.
Regardless the EU is supposed to work in the interest of it's members - if Brexit works out and might work out for some other countries too then so be it. The EU can still continue to exist and continue to trade among is existing and former member(s). It is this need to make sure it isn't a good deal, that the country leaving must pay for it etc.. that is rather vindictive and not really acting in the interest of the remaining members either, some of whom might quite legitimately decide to leave too in future too. Whether a member choses to participate or leave ought to be something the EU is ambivalent to if it was really working in the interest of its members - unfortunately there is more to it including a push by some towards greater union (even a federal state for some) and countries leaving is a threat to that idea.
That's a good point TBH. If Brexit is a threat to the EU, that threat is to the organisation, rather than the member states. A bad deal is almost certainly in the interests of the organisation; anyone leaving is a threat to its future. But ultimately, power in the EU resides with the member states. And most of them would be best served by a positive relationship with the UK, regardless of the EU's future.
Why are you trying to portray criticism/different opinion in some 4chan style of 'special **********' and 'crying' etc..? I'm not sure it adds much to your argument, if anything it detracts from it a bit. It is this sort of stuff that is pretty toxic in the speakers corner thread which these days mostly consists of moaning and silly generalisations about leave supporters.
Unless she leaked the story that makes no sense - your tinfoil hat is crooked lol.
Who has Gina miller ordered you to vote for?
Because it's extremely tiresome to go round in circles with 'the EU is bullying us, the Brexit bill is bullying', with nothing said of Davis threatening to walk away without paying a penny etc. It'd be vastly more useful if people actually looked at what's behind the headline topic. It's not criticism of a different opinion... it's criticism of blind criticism/baseless, meaningless opinion! For example, why not engage this way rather than sticking with, 'LOL we'll walk away/LOL we can just negotiate it down lol',
https://www.ft.com/content/29fc1abc-2fe0-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a
"Why would any Briton want to see their country stretched on the rack? The id of the Euromasochist contains many parts. Pride: they insisted for decades that Brexit would never happen and then it did. A sense of loss: this was supposed to be their country, until the voters stole it from them. Superiority: I’m not sure I can take one more article alleging that Brexiteers are educationally subnormal. Metropolitanism: civilisation is a vegan café staffed by cheap Poles. And identity with otherness: Europe is better than Britain simply because it is not Britain. I have no doubt that if Brussels was to send in the tanks to put down Brexit, AC Grayling, the Europhiles’s barmy philosopher, would be on the streets of Westminster handing out flowers to the occupying forces, thanking them for liberating us from ourselves."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-national-interest-first-rally-behind-brexit/
Sad how remainers salivate over the 'bill'...
Because it's extremely tiresome to go round in circles with '
It isn't really though - it literally is criticism of a different opinion, highlighting some issues doesn't necessitate you then also declare everything else that could possibly be perceived as bad. Whereas, replying to a point made seriously with nonsense about '**********' and 'crying' isn't constructive at all and like I said before detracts from your argument.
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Weird, seems fairly familiar to be fired in the opposite direction and nobody complains.
It's not about wanting to see Britain stretched on the rack, it's about keeping the government accountable. If May wants a hard Brexit, she needs to play by the rules. If the rules involve a large bill, she needs to pay the bill.
Why would any Briton want to see their country skip out on a bill after disrupting the EU?
£100bn wasn't even mentioned in the post you quoted - you're attacking a straw man
plenty of people complained - there was a ban on Brexit threads as a result and a single containment thread created in speakers corner
Of course she didn't leak the story but it was a non story until she did he speech. She spun it and tried to look like Maggie. Now look at the gutter press. It's all the second coming of Maggie etc. That's why her vote has gone up in the polls. No tin foil hats needed.
You need to remove your blinkers and have a look at how your are being manipulated. It goes along with the whole thing from the start that this isn't a GE it's a presidential campaign. The signs all say vote May not vote conservative.
Lol we don't and we want the best deal for the uk. Now that might be paying a 20 billion bill to get this great deal and would be worth it. Who knows. But this silly stupid, if you aren't backing May and Kippers and demanding we pay not a penny then somehow we aren't patriotic or British is madness. It's like anybody who might have the lisghtly sensible critism should just shut up or be declared a traitor won't get us a better deal.
I desperate.y want a good deal rather than no deal but the way May and her negotiating team backed by some of the worst press is going about it will not get us a good deal. In fact the more time goes on the more I am convinced May and her lot and certain leave voters on here actually want a bad deal, perhaps so bad we leave with no deal. That to me is the bit which means they are not being British and doing what is best for the country rather than the remainers.
The press is printing lies and spin over and over to again make the eu look evil and bad just to cover up the inadequecies of our poor negotiating government team. I'm fed up at people making excuses. First it was the leave campaign "oh sorry, we aren't in power post leave so all those things we said and promised won't happen as we aren't in control so they were all just suggestions as to what a government might do" and now we seem to have the "eu hated us and are demanding a made up figure which we made up so let's tell them to stuff it and walk away and then it will all be the evil eu fauLet we got no deal"
It's just so blatant it's not even funny anymore
Compare the 2013 headlines when Milliband proposed to "interfere" with energy prices with todays headlines when May proposes to interfere with energy prices
https://twitter.com/stewartwood/status/852275699402592256
Unpaid work is not uncommon. Many will happily do an unpaid internship or voluntary work to serve the community. Is this not akin to that except serving the wider community with a more staple and possibly lower priced food supply? Also I did address your other point via the perpetually unemployed.
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