Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

[Combat squirrel]

You know hes a comedian right?

He's factually correct, he makes viral videos commenting on common sense issues in a funny way.

He's speaking truth - you do know he's speaking factually accurate information - right ?

 

[B@Th*nG]

The Boxing Day hunt was (and still is, sans fox) a tradition around here and I wouldn't call us stuck up toffs. They pretty much loathe foxes in general as most of them have seen what a fox will do to a flock of hens or sheep. Foxes kill for sport, so I can get where they're coming from. I have no problem with culling foxes as they're a pest, but I don't particularly see the need to get dressed up to do it ceremonially. I can see why that rubs some people up the wrong way (though as I understand it, locally people enjoy the spectacle).

anyone who gets up on a horse in their reds with a pack of hounds and horns in hand IS a toff, sorry. We aren't talking about pest control here either, we're talking about fox hunting. There is only "sport" in fox hunting, it's got almost nothing to do with pest control.

B@

 

[antijoke]

Fox hunting officially more important than the economy, education, NHS, tax reform, voting reform, rental control, industry investment... Amazing.

What a wonderful hope filled country, where savaging a random animal to death is the main political problem of the age.

Yeah, it's laughable this is even on the topics to discuss list considering everything on the plate at the moment.

 

[Tefal]

I was not a racist nor an anti-Semite at fourteen, there's saying stupid stuff and there's being hateful.

To be fair, the antisemitism isn't really a problem for Labour, it fits in just fine.

But i bet we could find something.

Some angry comment.

Hell "jew" will have been used by anyone who grew up with south park

 

[Mr Jack]

Really these are the posts of teenagers and they are held against them regardless - this extends from 13 to university antics aged 18/19 etc..... like rumours of a certain ex PM doing something with a pig - I guess in future someone somewhere might have had a picture of the event on their phone.

A teenager 17 or under is a child, an 18/19 year old is an adult. And, yeah, it certainly happens; doesn't make it right.

 

[dowie]

Hell "jew" will have been used by anyone who grew up with south park

or Borat - at least ironically

 

[dowie]

A teenager 17 or under is a child, an 18/19 year old is an adult. And, yeah, it certainly happens; doesn't make it right.

yes someone who is 18 is an 'adult', the difference between them an a 17 year old is rather minor at best - it really depends on the context though, is someone was clearly a nasty racist (lets say for arguments sake as a 17 year old) I'd not be particularly impressed even if they did claim to have changed

 

[Greebo]

:

UK: 12 times larger
US: 10 times larger
JP: 8.5 times larger
FR: 6.5 times larger
IT: 8.3 times larger
CAN: 8.9 times larger
NL: 5 times larger
AUS: 14 times larger.

Err doesnt that prove my point and means what you said is wrong? From that it looks like since we have been in the EU we have beaten everybody except Australia for growth, even the USA. Yet during all this time we were hampered by been in the EU and not being able to do any free trade deals with the rest of the world.

I dont think your list proves the rest of the world almost did as good as us in the EU at all. Just the opposite. 8 times larger isnt even close to 12 times larger. That means our growth has been 50% more. Its even 20% more than the USA. When you get countries judging whether they are doing better or worse than another country by fractions of a percent, i think your list just proves its been a stunning period for us for growth.

Now if your list had shown US on 11.9 times, France on 11.7 times, Italy on 12.1 times then I would concede you might have a point that we all did similar growth.

Didnt do the rest of the world much good did it?

I am happy to have the debate as to how much of that was due to being in the EU or other factors like Thatcher etc but your point was that been in the EU hampered us and everybody else did just as well outside of the EU. They didnt. Any of those countries would kill to have had the growth we did during that period.

If you think the are all similar growth, would you invest £100 in a company which promised to pay you back £800 or £1200 after a set period? And would you view that close enough that it then didnt matter which company you invested in?

 

[Tefal]

Err doesnt that prove my point and means what you said is wrong? From that it looks like since we have been in the EU we have beaten everybody except Australia for growth, even the USA. Yet during all this time we were hampered by been in the EU and not being able to do any free trade deals with the rest of the world.

I dont think your list proves the rest of the world almost did as good as us in the EU at all. Just the opposite. 8 times larger isnt even close to 12 times larger. That means our growth has been 50% more. Its even 20% more than the USA. When you get countries judging whether they are doing better or worse than another country by fractions of a percent, i think your list just proves its been a stunning period for us for growth.

Now if your list had shown US on 11.9 times, France on 11.7 times, Italy on 12.1 times then I would concede you might have a point that we all did similar growth.

Didnt do the rest of the world much good did it?

I am happy to have the debate as to how much of that was due to being in the EU or other factors like Thatcher etc but your point was that been in the EU hampered us and everybody else did just as well outside of the EU. They didnt. Any of those countries would kill to have had the growth we did during that period.

If you think the are all similar growth, would you invest £100 in a company which promised to pay you back £800 or £1200 after a set period? And would you view that close enough that it then didnt matter which company you invested in?

but the other EU countries in that list didn't do very well compared to the none eu ones did they?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Err doesnt that prove my point and means what you said is wrong? From that it looks like since we have been in the EU we have beaten everybody except Australia for growth, even the USA. Yet during all this time we were hampered by been in the EU and not being able to do any free trade deals with the rest of the world.

No, it doesn't. If being a member of the EU conferred such great advantages, why did the Netherlands and France not do so well out of it? My argument is that economic growth is driven primarily by domestic policy, period. At no point did I say we would have grown faster outside the EU, what I have said is we will now grow faster outside the EU because we'll be able to make deals with the part of the world that is growing as opposed to being stuck in a part that is shrinking.

I dont think your list proves the rest of the world almost did as good as us in the EU at all. Just the opposite. 8 times larger isnt even close to 12 times larger. That means our growth has been 50% more. Its even 20% more than the USA. When you get countries judging whether they are doing better or worse than another country by fractions of a percent, i think your list just proves its been a stunning period for us for growth.

Now if your list had shown US on 11.9 times, France on 11.7 times, Italy on 12.1 times then I would concede you might have a point that we all did similar growth.

Didnt do the rest of the world much good did it?

I wasn't comparing the rest of the world to the UK. I was comparing major economies inside and outside the EU. The UK's performance is exceptional even by the EU's standards for major economies, so why do you think the EU was a benefit?

I am happy to have the debate as to how much of that was due to being in the EU or other factors like Thatcher etc but your point was that been in the EU hampered us and everybody else did just as well outside of the EU. They didnt. Any of those countries would kill to have had the growth we did during that period.

Had I made such an argument, you might have a fair point. But I didn't make that argument, did I? Here is what I said:

But it hasn't advantaged us either, our growth since joining the EU is on par with other advanced economies outside the EU in the same period. It's almost as if whatever benefits we accrued from EU membership were offset by our loss of free trade with the rest of the world.

But, here's the reason leaving matters: the relative size of the EU's economy is shrinking! So it's very possible that equation will soon become unbalanced; in fact it arguably already is. Growth in the EU the last decade has been far lower than growth outside it.

It's really tiresome having to battle these straw-man arguments. Could you please try to read my posts next time, not assume what I am saying?

 

[Boycey0211]

He's factually correct, he makes viral videos commenting on common sense issues in a funny way.

He's speaking truth - you do know he's speaking factually accurate information - right ?

Theres a difference between fact and opinion thats my point.

I agree with a lot of the stuff he says, doesn't mean its factual though.

 

[antijoke]

Theres a difference between fact and opinion thats my point.

I agree with a lot of the stuff he says, doesn't mean its factual though.

Everything he says IS happening though, how you can deny it is not fact is mind boggling.

 

[Boycey0211]

Everything he says IS happening though, how you can deny it is not fact is mind boggling.

Which is why I said I agree with it lol.

Again, that doesn't make it factual.

 

[ubersonic]

Everything he says IS happening though

Debatable, he's taking facts and exaggerating them or changing the context. Most of the stuff he says isn't happening it's just a parody of stuff that is.

 

[Combat squirrel]

Which is why I said I agree with it lol.

Again, that doesn't make it factual.

It's all verifiable stuff he's saying that has proof - ergo, fact.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Corbyn about to talk about Uni tuition fees.

If he cans them, I think it might be what gets the young off their arse to bother voting for a change.

 

[Greebo]

but the other EU countries in that list didn't do very well compared to the none eu ones did they?

Maybe they started from a higher base line? Doesnt matter as theirs are just in line and we were arguing over whether the UK would have done just as well if they werent in.

 

[Greebo]

No, it doesn't. If being a member of the EU conferred such great advantages, why did the Netherlands and France not do so well out of it? My argument is that economic growth is driven primarily by domestic policy, period. At no point did I say we would have grown faster outside the EU, what I have said is we will now grow faster outside the EU because we'll be able to make deals with the part of the world that is growing as opposed to being stuck in a part that is shrinking.



I wasn't comparing the rest of the world to the UK. I was comparing major economies inside and outside the EU. The UK's performance is exceptional even by the EU's standards for major economies, so why do you think the EU was a benefit?



Had I made such an argument, you might have a fair point. But I didn't make that argument, did I? Here is what I said:



It's really tiresome having to battle these straw-man arguments. Could you please try to read my posts next time, not assume what I am saying?

I did read. You stated the UK is comparable to economies outside the EU when clearly it isnt. Full stop. Please try and put your points across more prescise and accurately.

If you had tried to make the argument about other EU economies then yes, fine but you said "our" meanign UK when clearly we have surpassed other economies by 20% to 50% and at the time of joining we were doing miserably.

So it isnt a strawman argument, perhaps you may want to check what claim you are trying to make before shooting down people who prove you wrong.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

I did read. You stated the UK is comparable to economies outside the EU when clearly it isnt. Full stop. Please try and put your points across more prescise and accurately.

If you had tried to make the argument about other EU economies then yes, fine but you said "our" meanign UK when clearly we have surpassed other economies by 20% to 50% and at the time of joining we were doing miserably.

So it isnt a strawman argument, perhaps you may want to check what claim you are trying to make before shooting down people who prove you wrong.

Well the UK's growth is far more in line with non-EU nations (US, Australia, Japan and Canada) averaging 10.3 compared to EU nations (Italy, Netherlands and France) averaging 6.6. But again, this really doesn't matter because my point is not that we'd have necessarily have been better outside the EU, but that there's no evidence we were better inside or that it will continue to give this alleged benefit against the backdrop of a shrinking EU.

Here is the challenge for you: If EU membership was so advantageous why did France, Italy and the Netherlands not reap the same rewards in terms of GDP growth?

 

[Greebo]

Well the UK's growth is far more in line with non-EU nations (US, Australia, Japan and Canada) averaging 10.3 compared to EU nations (Italy, Netherlands and France) averaging 6.6. But again, this really doesn't matter because my point is not that we'd have necessarily have been better outside the EU, but that there's no evidence we were better inside or that it will continue to give this alleged benefit against the backdrop of a shrinking EU.

Here is the challenge for you: If EU membership was so advantageous why did France, Italy and the Netherlands not reap the same rewards in terms of GDP growth?

Again cant be answered just like how do you know that if UK hadnt been in the EU its growth over that period may have been only 8% and not 12%? Nice selective choice of France, Italy and Netherlans and you "choose" to miss out Germany in your average but include US and Australia, two of the biggest none EU countries.

Fact is we have out performed the average made up of the economic advanced countries over that period and the whole performance of the eu block is on par with it.

Only time will tell now we are leaving as to how we perform over the next 40 years as to whether we do better in or out.

But some people on here, say that been in the eu has held us back and I am not sure how much better we could have done bearing in mind the mess we were in.