Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

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  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

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This is what has been floating around Twitter:

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...which seems to back up most of the 'leaked manifesto'.

The problem is that most of the income ideas are nonsense. Reversing tax cuts that have resulted in revenue increases (due to changes in behaviour) Generally doesn't result in a huge revenue increase (due to changes in behaviour).

Where it does result in a revenue increase, what happens is that it gets passed to the people one way or another, because that is ultimately the only source of revenue. Likewise minimum wage increases don't result in anyone gaining increased spending power.

The cost of renationalising everything is going to be enormous, unless they are just planning on stealing it, which would result in a massive loss of confidence in the UK economy.

The whole thing is like a bad six form idealists manifesto rather than something that is actually deliverable.
 
The whole thing is like a bad six form idealists manifesto rather than something that is actually deliverable.

I don't think that is important in this post-fact world. You just have to lie the bigger lie, since nobody wants to hear from experts any more. Much like Brexit.

Nate
 
God help us if Labour gets back in power.

Think about this. Corbyn isn't wanted by his cabinet. There is no way in hell half of the deluded stuff in his mind will get through. The good stuff will.

I think May poses a greater threat in a post Brexit world. The hints of her getting the rich to batton down the hatches is already showing through.

Just cannot vote for that woman. I would vote for Cameron, and did and I don't particularly like him.
 
Where it does result in a revenue increase, what happens is that it gets passed to the people one way or another, because that is ultimately the only source of revenue.

Which people though? If it's coming from the pockets of CEOs and wealthy shareholders - especially those overseas - then I don't think that Labour are going to lose much sleep.

Likewise minimum wage increases don't result in anyone gaining increased spending power.

That's only true if everyone in society earns minimum wage.

The gap between rich and poor is widening. Labour would argue that closing that gap is no bad thing.
 
Which people though? If it's coming from the pockets of CEOs and wealthy shareholders - especially those overseas - then I don't think that Labour are going to lose much sleep.



That's only true if everyone in society earns minimum wage.

The gap between rich and poor is widening. Labour would argue that closing that gap is no bad thing.

Customers (via higher prices), employees (via lower wages) are the usual source (as the ifs confirmed in their analysis of the corporation tax hike).

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9206

As for the minimum wage, the ifs doesn't have much positive to say about that either.

Dramatic minimum wage rises will put low-paid jobs at risk, says IFS

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ys-ifs?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
 
This is what has been floating around Twitter:

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...which seems to back up most of the 'leaked manifesto'.

It is a bit like a teenager who's got his / her first credit card, and then their second, and their third. And then when everything's maxed out, another credit card turns up to consolidate everything into one easy balance.

And then Mum & Dad turn up to bail it all out.

Or the bailiffs turn up to take it all back.

If this is even a draft, some of it is laughable.

£500 more for carers. A week? A year?
£3bn for eduction. Extra? A year? Over the next parliament?
10,000 new police. Paid for by Dianne Abbott?
1m new homes. Built by who for who?
Bring back EMA. Please, any journalist tomorrow, ask a Labour candidate what EMA is and see how many get it right
Reverse Tory IHT Cut. What, you could calculate the amount of reversing CGT (not GCT as it is spelled above) and Corporation Tax but not this one?

It has to be a joke or an early draft by an over-enthusiastic intern who's been powered by nothing other than caffeine for 72 hours.
 
It is a bit like a teenager who's got his / her first credit card, and then their second, and their third. And then when everything's maxed out, another credit card turns up to consolidate everything into one easy balance.

And then Mum & Dad turn up to bail it all out.

Or the bailiffs turn up to take it all back.

If this is even a draft, some of it is laughable.

£500 more for carers. A week? A year?
£3bn for eduction. Extra? A year? Over the next parliament?
10,000 new police. Paid for by Dianne Abbott?
1m new homes. Built by who for who?
Bring back EMA. Please, any journalist tomorrow, ask a Labour candidate what EMA is and see how many get it right
Reverse Tory IHT Cut. What, you could calculate the amount of reversing CGT (not GCT as it is spelled above) and Corporation Tax but not this one?

It has to be a joke or an early draft by an over-enthusiastic intern who's been powered by nothing other than caffeine for 72 hours.

Are you criticising the lack of depth/detail to information you read on twitter or do you have a copy of the actual source document?
 


Plenty of those pledges I like - if only they could present a competent leader and maybe reduce it to more realistic set of objectives that wouldn't lead to massively increasing the deficit.

Fact is with Corbyn in charge the Tories don't even need to worry much about a big manifesto, they just need to point out that the opposition is **** and the country needs 'strong and stable' leadership during this very important negotiation... and they're absolutely right.
 
Are you criticising the lack of depth/detail to information you read on twitter or do you have a copy of the actual source document?

I'm responding to the document posted here.

Hence why I suggested it has to be a joke or the work of a sleep-deprived intern. If the latter, it would be interesting to see if they were paid.
 
With regards to rail nationalisation, the state currently subsidises various TOC's to the tune of about £9 billion IIRC. Those companies are mainly foreign owned.

It is a crazy situation.
 
Fox hunting officially more important than the economy, education, NHS, tax reform, voting reform, rental control, industry investment... Amazing.

What a wonderful hope filled country, where savaging a random animal to death is the main political problem of the age.


Journalist scored a touchdown didnt they here.

Ask a question Leverage fhe answer into tricking idiots into thinking its now the tory number one policy
 
This is what has been floating around Twitter:

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...which seems to back up most of the 'leaked manifesto'.

Is the 20% tax on private health insurance really going to do much? Considering it's already taxed at (for most people with it) 40%.

I don't think that is important in this post-fact world. You just have to lie the bigger lie, since nobody wants to hear from experts any more. Much like Brexit.

Nate

Besides, Labour can offer all this because they are almost certain they won't win, so will never have to back up their promises with actions.

The only problem with that is there was another group that did the same thing, now they are up **** creeek without a paddle after we all voted out. :p
 
With regards to rail nationalisation, the state currently subsidises various TOC's to the tune of about £9 billion IIRC. Those companies are mainly foreign owned.

It is a crazy situation.

Nationalizing the whole industry would not be good, but restoring the publicly owned company to compete against the privately owned franchisees would be great.
 
Taxing private school fee's will force a lot of parents to withdraw their children and send them to state school. Increasing taxes on salary over 80k will encourage people to put more into their pensions or work less. Not sure this has been thought through...
 
Imagine a publically owned rail franchise in this day and age it would.be the only service to be reliable and run on time.

I honestly don't see what everyone is getting so work up about, apart from certain people it's to be expected. It's not as if they are promising to get net migration down to tens of thousands. *snigger* Personally I wouldn't be bothered about paying an extra 1% or what ever the figure will be even though I don't earn over £80k. I would just want to see assurances that steps are being taken to remove the leeches from the NHS and real programmes are put in place to deal with expenditure problems like diabities care and prevention.
 
I'd love to see a decent poll, taken just before and after this leaked Labour manifesto. I honesty think it would reduce the Conservative led, because the only real individual losers are the fat cats at the top receiving silly sized incomes eg. Royal Mail boss gets 1.5 million per year; plus those in line to receive monster sized inheritances.

For those on low to average incomes of less than ~£35k gross, what is not to like as individuals?

Yes, businesses might be unhappy, especially those with cushy tax deals. And the way prices are shooting up in the shops because of the post-referendum weak pound, low earners are going to need that ~33% minimum wage increase just to maintain their current standard of living.
 
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