Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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Efour said:
Raise taxes :p
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Keep raising taxes and the the people who feel it the most will be the people who can afford it the least. Maybe the amount payable is only relative to how much you earn and paid only if you earn a certain amount? That is what we have now, except the cost is not unfairly spread to those who do not wish to study at university.

Everyone gets a chance to study now if they wish it.
 
Where do you draw the line with this attitude.
Shouldn't we all pay health insurance and scrap the NHS tomorrow?
I mean I've been to the hospital twice in 39 years.. what a collosal waste of money...

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Efour said:
Where do you draw the line with this attitude.
Shouldn't we all pay health insurance and scrap the NHS tomorrow?
I mean I've been to the hospital twice in 39 years.. what a collosal waste of money...

At macro...
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Agreed, that attitude applies to everything in life.
 
Efour said:
Where do you draw the line with this attitude.
Shouldn't we all pay health insurance and scrap the NHS tomorrow?
I mean I've been to the hospital twice in 39 years.. what a collosal waste of money...

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Well higher education is a choice. Ultimately. Along with what course you want to take.

Getting cancer isn't...
 
Also I think you unrightly think people abuse the system because they can...
I've moved here to Sweden. It has free education. Does everyone have a degree? No they certainly do not. Why? Because not everyone wants to even bother wasting 3 +years of their lives.
They also have a much better vocational education emphasis from what I've seen.
 
Efour said:
Also I think you unrightly think people abuse the system because they can...
I've moved here to Sweden. It has free education. Does everyone have a degree? No they certainly do not. Why? Because not everyone wants to even bother wasting 3 +years of their lives.
They also have a much better vocational education emphasis from what I've seen.
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Well you just answered your own question. They are set up differently.

For my two years during college I was repeatedly told that if I didn't I to University I would amount to nothing and be on the dole.

I didn't go Uni... Doing fairly well if I may say so...
 
Not everyone necessarily wants a degree in the U.K. but the new labour agenda was so biased toward pushing people into universities although a university education were a measurement of success for lower age groups education.

I'm in favour of free uni places but it should be for needed professions or vocational courses not Mickey Mouse degrees which end up with huge debts and prospects that don't go beyond a call centre job.


On the manifesto I believe if it got fair coverage it would attract a lot of voters but I think it will just be drowned in bile and right wing propaganda and the message won't reach those who it will benefit the most.
 
So you say raise taxes then, then you have people on the lower end struggling to survive. Raise only taxes at the mid to top end and you push people to move away. Same with corporations

It is all very nice to have a blanket nice guy attitude but if you don't balance your funding with your costs, then you will end up bleeding money or bleeding people. We are not discussing whether free education is good and fair for people, we are discussing whether it is possible to implement.

As said, there are plenty of courses now which are heavily limited due to lack of funding. If the government cant pay for these courses now WITH the help of students tuition, how will they afford them AND pay the tuition.

Our current system allows more people to study what they wish. No point in giving everyone free tuition if they cant do the courses they want...
 
Efour said:
Where do you draw the line with this attitude.
Shouldn't we all pay health insurance and scrap the NHS tomorrow?
I mean I've been to the hospital twice in 39 years.. what a collosal waste of money...

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Well I draw the line at paying for students to get drunk and have sex with strangers for 3 years while studying media
 
This is all about opportunity. Currently everyone has the opportunity to study

I draw the line at paying for people to the point where it removes opportunity for students to choose the subject they wish to study.
 
Efour said:
Where do you draw the line with this attitude.
Shouldn't we all pay health insurance and scrap the NHS tomorrow?
I mean I've been to the hospital twice in 39 years.. what a collosal waste of money...

At macro...
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It's not even close to being the same, one is a personal choice and one isn't. If you don't believe that your higher education has enough value for you to invest in it why should anyone else?

Perfectly happy for certain subjects/skills which are seen to be "strategic" to the good of country to be exempt although I would suggest you still have to fund it via a heavily subsidised loan, you just get the repayment waived in you achieve a 2:2 or better (i.e. you come away with a skill useful enough to society to justify the wider society paying for it).
 
Efour said:
Also I think you unrightly think people abuse the system because they can...
I've moved here to Sweden. It has free education. Does everyone have a degree? No they certainly do not. Why? Because not everyone wants to even bother wasting 3 +years of their lives.
They also have a much better vocational education emphasis from what I've seen.
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problem is we pushed for uni to be the thing to do.

now we have the situation where peopel are needing a degree for a simple office job, unlike sweden and how it used to be here where a degree was to enter you into a career/feild.

putting that genie back into the bottle is going to be the deciding factor not if its free or not.
 
balky12 said:
I'm not against free education. However where does the funding come from? Something like 250,000 18 year olds go to uni every year. At courses around the £10,000 per year mark that's £2.5bn a year. Just for the noobies. Then you got 2nd year people, 3rd year. Graduates staying on, adults returning to education.

Let the top 10, 20% go to university for free. Based on exams results and what skills are needed at the time.

The total debt it's a non issue. It doesn't count against you on mortgage applications or other credit applications. The amounts you pack back are negligible compared to earnings...
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I am all for certain courses been free depending on what the country is short off. If you want to do electric guitar then pay for it in the form of a loan.
 
balky12 said:
Well higher education is a choice. Ultimately. Along with what course you want to take.

Getting cancer isn't...
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But then we have a shortage of skilled people as not enough are qualifying in the UK so we have to have immigration...............which a large portion of this country doesnt want. If you want to drop the numbers coming in we need to invest in training and teacher uk people.
 
Tefal said:
responsibility over others is more complicated/important than responsibility of yourself?

and so requires a more mature mindset?
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Its there future. Like person now who cant vote is going to almost 23 before they can next time and who is in the country will have had a massive affect on their lives. Maybe for the rest of the lives too.
 
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