Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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balky12 said:
I wouldn't use China as an example of a country doing well.

From my understanding it's on a knife edge of imploding quite dramatically.

Doesn't it close its own stock markets if they lose a certain amount of points in a day?
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I wouldn't use the US as the be all and end all either. There are many places with less inequality and higher indexes of contentedness. You have no real evidence that reduced state intervention is magically better, we regulate to control virtually all markets, you can't buy babies or organs, free markets are the jungle, we moved on!
 
Uther said:
Don't you think they have a a right to be a bit upset? These are the people who could save your life, unless you go private and have a private security firm patrolling your gated community, and yet the government treats them with total contempt.
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Twaddle - it's a job with a salary they are well aware of when they make a career choice the same as everyone else, except often with the bonus of being a job for life, something the vast majority of the working population can't even begin to aspire to. Yes it's an important job and we all benefit from people choosing it as their career, but there are thousands of people who work for hours on end doing thankless tasks which effect peoples lives, health, wellbeing and quality of life every day.
 
If the 7% is so negligible why is the far smaller percentage increase in general taxation required to pay for free education such a big deal?
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Pretty much agree with this. I lived my university life on a loan. I studied a subject that requires a fair bit of funding and would hate to see these courses gutted due to lack funding due to poor spending in education.

Medical courses are incredibly expensive to fund mostly being paid for by the NHS, University (through education budget) and a small fraction by student. Places are limited for these courses because the cost on these sort of courses mainly being covered by the government (the government allocates a maximum number of funded entries to the course for each university each year). We are in great need for people in these industries and we will see the number of allocated spaces drop further if tuition fees for everyone is removed.

So yeah, what will happen is tuition fees will be removed so everyone can go to university for free, well, everyone who wants to study a cheap course like business management. If you want to do a medical course or a physics course, you will have to enter the application lottery and hope you get a chance to qualify and work in an industry Britain is desperate for...

I am for everyone being able to study what they want, which is what we have now. By removing the loan system and taking money out of the budget to pay for everyone, then you only lower the number of available places on courses which require more funding.


If you want free or cheap university courses why not subsidise some of these courses via a work program. I had friends of mine doing business study courses and and another doing finance courses at university which were 7 and 9 hours (full time courses, not evening classes) a week of lectures plus a little pre-reading. Plenty of time to spare that could be spent learning the application of the subject by doing a few hours a week at a subject related company. That company gets labour for the price of subsidising their tuition. Students can find out what the real work environment is like, even if they end up doing admin under people doing the qualified job. Pretty much like a third year optional placement but part time during lecture years and paid directly to the university.
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Arnt most people leaving with 40-50k in debt with a looming 6% interest?

I left University about 15k in debt and currently pay 1.5% interest.. in no way is 6% fair.
 
It not the same as a 40k loan on 6% interest.

You pay it back relative to what you earn. That is fair, so interest and amount doesn't really come into it unless you can pay it all back, at that point you are earning silly amounts anyway.
 
Tefal said:
responsibility over others is more complicated/important than responsibility of yourself?

and so requires a more mature mindset?
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All falls apart when you realise at 16 you can legally bring an entire new life into the world... Makes voting seem completely unimportant on that scale.
 
Tefal said:
A dog can bring a new life into the world doesn't mean we let it vote.
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And?

As you said

responsibility over others is more complicated/important than responsibility of yourself?

and so requires a more mature mindset?
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If people are considered mature enough to be able to bring a new person into this world, and have major responsibility over it at that time, then something like being mature enough to vote is way down the scale of importance.

If you're considered mature enough to have a child then you sure as hell should be considered mature enough to vote in a national election, where one vote is unlikely to change anything.
 
Just to make posters aware, we aren't resetting the poll this year. As XenForo affords us more options, we've made it so you can change your vote by clicking under the poll.

Obviously, the poll will close before the election begins :p
 
Amp34 said:
If people are considered mature enough to be able to bring a new person into this world, and have major responsibility over it at that time, then something like being mature enough to vote is way down the scale of importance.

If you're considered mature enough to have a child then you sure as hell should be considered mature enough to vote in a national election, where one vote is unlikely to change anything.
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I don't think anyone considers 16 as mature enough to have a child, you must know that while making this argument. Criminalising 16 year olds for having kids isn't practical.
 
How is it criminalising them? Don't really understand that.

Would you support raising the age of consent to 18 to bring it in line with the voting age?
 
Six6siX said:
How is it criminalising them? Don't really understand that.

Would you support raising the age of consent to 18 to bring it in line with the voting age?
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I think that the point was that it is not really considered mature enough, but to legislate against it would be pointless.

If you can provide a home and a suitable income to support the raising of children, you are mature enough IMO at 16. The single successful act of procreation is not enough to signify maturity.
 
VincentHanna said:
Why are 8% of people choosing not to vote at all?

It makes a difference.
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I can see why some people aren't bothering, i'm 50/50.

There's no credible opposition imo, I do agree with some of Labour's manifesto, but voting for a party that will see the likes of Diane Abbott in a position of power? No thanks.
 
If you agree with a manifesto that will impact your life, but are put off by one or two MP's who won't really have much power and won't impact your life then it makes sense to vote IMO.

I don't like Diane Abbott much either, but the majority of the labour manifesto speaks to my core values.
 
For what it's worth, it seems others like me have shifted their vote on the poll from Lim Dems to Labour, practically equal now. I switched simply to match my real tactical voting intentions, Lib Dems have got zero chance of winning Southampton Itchen off Royston Smith, but he is the only non-Labour elected MP in over twenty years here and his 2015 win was pretty close.

I'm not too thrilled about the potential prospect of Abbott getting a cabinet place, but for the greater good, I'm still voting against Conservative and Labour's "leaked" manifesto by and large appeals to me.
 
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