Caporegime
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I've never voted Labour, but I will this time.
(Previously voted Lib dem)
(Previously voted Lib dem)
Labour manifesto is largely simple soundbites Labour know they will never actually have to implement and pay for as they've no chance of getting enough of a majority to see them put into practice. It's sad to see so many people so easily manipulated by a "leak" designed to garner support for a lame duck party with no future in its current state.
Nationalise the rail? 10s of billions if Corbyn wants to do a proper job...
yes also the plan to nationalise energy firms isnt what it seems, I think they plan to start a rival not for profit company and undercut everyone else, a very good idea if it worksWhere are you pulling that figure from? Rail infrastructure and maintenance is already nationalised and the plan is to just not put operator franchises out to tender again when the current ones expire. It certainly won't cost "10s of billions".
yes also the plan to nationalise energy firms isnt what it seems, I think they plan to start a rival not for profit company and undercut everyone else, a very good idea if it works
Where are you pulling that figure from? Rail infrastructure and maintenance is already nationalised and the plan is to just not put operator franchises out to tender again when the current ones expire. It certainly won't cost "10s of billions".
Where are you pulling that figure from? Rail infrastructure and maintenance is already nationalised and the plan is to just not put operator franchises out to tender again when the current ones expire. It certainly won't cost "10s of billions".
Where have you got that from? They've said anyone earning over £80,000 would pay more tax. That's the top 5% of earners. And it's not 90% tax!
And that's only more tax on the money they earn past the 80k mark, it's not like all their wages will suddenly be taxed silly amounts.
Well, there you have it...
I don't understand why on the TV debates they don't have to do a power point presentation, run through in detail their plans. In what other area of life do you get away with not presenting your plan to the board?
The election is one big PR stunt nowadays. How to win votes rather than setting out a vision. Globalisation won for the most part, politicians are middle managers to larger powers now. Even Trump has realised how complex the reality is.
The TV debates exist to "bring in" those who do not care about politics, dare I say the Facebook/Xfactor generation? At this point, even before the manifestos were released/leaked, those who are interested in politics already know what they need to make an informed decision.
I would be happy to see an end to TV debates in their current format, they are basically conjecture and PR exercises with zero substance.
Some franchises don't end till 2030, so unless he wins back to back to back governments he will do half a job... So if he wants to do it in a term he will in fact have to buy them out of their franchises.
About two-thirds are due for renewal before 2022. That should be enough to reach tipping point.
you have no way of knowing that, its down to who ever is running them, it isnt going to be corbyn and his mates doing that, TFL in London is a great success.Edit; you're right. Once two-thirds are done everyone will realise what a mistake it was.
I am too young to remember the days of public owned transport and energy suppliers etc, what was it like?