Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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Tefal said:
this was posted by somone on my FB today really explains the mindset of the "momentum" crowd

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and the average earnings of the momentum crowd...


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so much aspiration.


although somone amusingly pointed out that MP's earn just under 80k :p
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They of course ignore the cost of nationalisation, the increased cost of borrowing caused by all the infrastructure borrowing, and the macroeconomic effects of their other policies.

I worked out that because labour have frozen so many taxes, all other taxes have to rise by an average of 14%. Naturally this won't directly effect the majority of people, but to think it won't slow down growth is absurd. That's before you get into the moral punitive regulations
 
The problem we have had in the last 8 years is that our gdp per capita has stalled or even decreased. Yes we have had annual gdp growth and done very well on that metric but thats come from more people working here and not from each of them been more productive. We used to be way ahead of Germany but they caught us up and overtook us and theirs keep increasing each year.

If you really want to get the economy straight you need to increase this and then wages could increase above inflation again. But to do that you need investment not the austerity we have had and looks like we will get more of for another 5 years
 
She obviously doesn't care about the pensioner vote any more.

Tory voters are basically now UKIP supporters...
 
I'm surprised they are still being classed as non-EU immigrants.....I appreciate we are still in the EU and can't apply the charges to them yet, but once we leave will they just all turn into 'immigrants' and the Skills Charge apply to them as well?

Or we might have an extended transition period I guess....I just still can't read whether May really wants a hard WTO Brexit or not...
 
Freakbro said:
I'm surprised they are still being classed as non-EU immigrants.....I appreciate we are still in the EU and can't apply the charges to them yet, but once we leave will they just all turn into 'immigrants' and the Skills Charge apply to them as well?

Or we might have an extended transition period I guess....I just still can't read whether May really wants a hard WTO Brexit or not...
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I don't think she does, she's just making all the signs that she would be perfectly happy to go that way in an attempt to influence the talks. Very risky business.
 
Energize said:
Then give the money to charity you are totally free to do that.

Socialism is favouring coercion instead of voluntary cooperation, it's the exact opposite of "coming together".


We now have two different kinds of evil vying for power in the UK, we've got May and her authoritarian fantasy, and Corbyn and his socialist fantasy. Both trying to grab more power the government, but one trying to grab it over the people by using police force and one by taking control of infrastructure and stealing peoples money. It will be very interesting to see which abyss the UK will fall into at this election.
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Taxation is "stealing people's money"? Lol. It's not possible to exist without taking advantage of facilities and services paid for by public money. Nobody is "self made". Everybody benefits directly and indirectly from things provided by the state.

I'd love to see a proper socialist government in this country, and not some centre-right parody of socialism.
 
h4rm0ny said:
How can there possibly be a moral case for inflicting harm on some that brings no benefit to others? Even when there is a benefit it still doesn't mean that it will be moral to do something, but when there's none at all...? What kind of a mindset thinks like that? :(
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Isn't the ultimate problem that people can easily avoid paying the tax that is asked of them?

We've all seen the documentaries about how these schemes are being set up and used, such that people earning *vast* amounts are paying less than 10% tax.

If increasing tax results in a decrease in tax revenue, then the real problem is that people are finding and using loopholes. I know that kind of thing is celebrated on here tho, as "just good sense".
 
stewski said:
Red white and blue strong and stable?

Oddly those who claimed a new Britain could arise post brexit, seem pretty shy on investing in that future...
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Got to wait on the pound bottoming out and (maybe) a crash in the FTSE first. When British firms are nice and cheap, I bet we'll see plenty of "investment".
 
h4rm0ny said:
A pretty terrible attitude. :(
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Yeah the hundreds of thousands on minimum wage, zero hours and those using food banks are really taking the micky.

Now get out there and wash my windscreen you peasants.

If you are paid over 80k and asked for a small increase in income tax is it really communism or are we trying to invest inward at the exact time we need to. Frankly where we are heading at the moment I'd take a tax increase for genuine UK investment that doesn't revolve around hs2 and trident (not against nuclear deterrent per we).
 
Freakbro said:
No it's not? :confused: (I know I'm exhausted, but I don't think I'm reading the graph that wrong :p)

The highest rate of debt to GDP % change is from 2008 - 2010 which is when our deficit (and thus debt) rocketed, combined with a contraction in the economy, hence a massive increase in debt to gdp ratio. My point was that even though the deficit has reduced from +100Bn then to 14Bn now, the debt to GDP % is still rising....which shows the economy isn't growing very well
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My bad sorry ona craxked phone screen and miss read the scale
 
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