Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting


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Oh that's a good one, private fire service.

I'm assuming that you split the country into regions with their own franchises put out to tender. I'm assuming that a bidding company *has* to cover the whole of its franchise area, and cannot simply refuse to put out fires in areas that are "too expensive to service". By stipulating this, however, you are interfering with market forces and imposing "the will of others" via regulation. Because the "will of the company" will be to only service those areas that are most profitable, and let the extremely rural houses burn :p Due to this interference the costs of the company will rise and thus the charge to the end user. This is a form of indirect taxation, no? Unless we choose to let some houses burn to keep costs down. Your call on that one.

Now take an area with low population density and a large area to cover. Say, Cornwall. An area that also has very depressed wages.

You mentioned morality earlier. How "moral" is it to expect low-paid Cornish people to pay the most for their fire service? Or should we say to all these low-paid Cornish people that they should move to London. Leaving only retired people inhabiting Cornwall, and work-from-home types. So now there's no supermarket staff in Cornwall and no care workers, etc, because they couldn't afford the costs of the private fire service, private police force, private....

Or.... you could "immorally" tax the whole country, and use this shared tax burden to finance a country-wide police and fire service.

I'm not sure how you conclude that this is immoral. It just seems to make more sense than the alternatives.

I think you just solved the problem of London house prices being so out of whack with the rest of the UK. Now cities are effectively getting a counterbalancing force to their cost in the fact that fire insurance is cheaper in cities than in the country. Nice one! :D
 
You mentioned morality earlier. How "moral" is it to expect low-paid Cornish people to pay the most for their fire service? Or should we say to all these low-paid Cornish people that they should move to London. Leaving only retired people inhabiting Cornwall, and work-from-home types. So now there's no supermarket staff in Cornwall and no care workers, etc, because they couldn't afford the costs of the private fire service, private police force, private....


why is it moral for the rest of the country to subsidize people to live in an unprofitable/uneconomic area?

would be the counter i suppose.

So now there's no supermarket staff in Cornwall and no care workers, etc, because they couldn't afford the costs of the private fire service, private police force, private....

doesnt follow, private enterprise would set u pa few high class stores to cater to the rich retirees and second home owners. waitrose etyc.

if it was profitable, if it wasnt thenb ack to the beginning why subside people to live in uneconomical areas?
 
Except private companies can replace the military capability we need, they can replace the police, the courts, etc. It's not inconsistent to say that government should only provide services that private companies cannot provide, but it is inconsistent to say that and then to suggest the government should provide services which could be provided by private companies.


i think you're wondering into "beyond common sense" territory here.

judiciary etc cant be privatized because it becomes partial rather than impartial.

hence private companies cannot provide an impartial judicial service.


but that doesn't stop them providing lawyers etc.

or do you believe that all legal work would be nationalized

to be "consistent" ;)?
 
I reckon we just devolve England into the north - the south and then stinky London. Then have a figurehead for each area. See how long it takes the rest of the country to march on London and set it aflame.
 
Yet we have the fifth most expensive military in the World and aren't using it to fight ISIS outside of relatively insignificant special forces missions we don't hear about. Is that really a good example of why we need a military? That threat we're not currently using our military to deal with?


compeltley off topic here, and not making a poitn regarding taxation etc.

but how effective is an army that has never been used?

think about it we can get by with grunts being untested but ncos/officers will need to see combat to be effective.

an army that has no members whove seen combat is gonna be prett yshakey
 
No. You have impartial private companies providing the service... you could have it so they legally have to be impartial. Google international arbitration or commercial arbitration. Of course private companies or individuals can be impartial if the system is regulated properly. I'm not advocating we should do this... I'm just contesting the notion that we couldn't.

I can't understand what you're banging on about in the second half :confused:.

so you have a nationalised system to ensure the private sector is impartial?

seems like it would be cheaper to do it " in house" as it where as we do now.

arbitration cannot be compared to criminal courts anyway, as i'm sure you can write half a dozen reasons why. number one being how does the homeless man beaten up by a drunk bring a case?

the second half im simply pointing out if you believe that the whole system needs to be "consistent" then not just the judiciary but the lawyers would also have to be nationalised not private (to prevent the situation we have now where ko0ney buys you a better lawyer and thus a better outcome)


you could have it so they legally have to be impartial

and err who judges/enforces them on this?
 
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I think if you need to quote Ayn Rand to make your point, you've lost the argument
 
Do it then.

Lets see you give 5k this year to charity.

Not what you already give or any other half arsed excuse if youd happily pay 5k a year extra then do it.

If you dont do it thwn dont bs about how its ok to take it from others

It says a lot about how Thatcherism has poisoned the minds of people in the UK that you react so viciously to the idea of being charitable.

Anyway, I do. I choose to live in a socialist democracy. I'm not even on the big bucks anymore, just an average programmer wage. I pay around 6-7k GBP extra a year in taxes here than I would in the UK on an equivalent wage.

And you know what? The sky doesn't fall in. It is a better system. Not only am I happy paying more than my share, I get benefits too in that public services are better all round.
 
If by "handle brexit" you mean invite trump 2 days after inauguration to a full state visit then get a knock back from trump on trade, scramble to deal with former colonial contacts for deals to be told freedom of movement a priority before said deals, bluff the EU we will pay Nada then get in a shouting match about interfering with a UK election that you called, for fear of losing your slim majority due to a cps investigation into electoral fraud, if by that you mean handle then fine have your red white and blue brexit...

Inward investment is pixie dust now?
Case settled then, May is going to handle Brexit better than Corbyn.
 
http://news.sky.com/story/conservat...ayments-targeted-to-fund-social-care-10882163

People will not be made to pay for their care if their assets are worth less than £100,000, up from the current £23,250, as the Conservatives attempt to tackle the long-term challenges of an ageing society.

Its also expected she will ditch the triple lock pension.

The older generation mostly voted for brexit so I'm happy she is now making a lot of them pay their way for it. Then again every other generation cant be rinsed anymore then they have.

I have my tin foil hat out ... We all know the grey vote in large numbers and I would be surprised to an extent if they voted for is. Its almost as if she doesn't want to win. But at the same time it seems that turkeys do vote for Christmas in this country so maybe they will vote against there interests.
 
http://news.sky.com/story/conservat...ayments-targeted-to-fund-social-care-10882163

People will not be made to pay for their care if their assets are worth less than £100,000, up from the current £23,250, as the Conservatives attempt to tackle the long-term challenges of an ageing society.

Its also expected she will ditch the triple lock pension.

The older generation mostly voted for brexit so I'm happy she is now making a lot of them pay their way for it. Then again every other generation cant be rinsed anymore then they have.

I have my tin foil hat out ... We all know the grey vote in large numbers and I would be surprised to an extent if they voted for is. Its almost as if she doesn't want to win. But at the same time it seems that turkeys do vote for Christmas in this country so maybe they will vote against there interests.

I understand they still pay but it's taken from the estate when they die.

Costed by this guy?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-philip-hammond-skewered-bbc-10438641

Oddly unlike Abbots minor by comparison Gaffe this isn't garnering the same level of coverage?

Tories don't make mistakes, fake news.
 
So what I dont understand is that for years the Tories have always said means testing winter fuel payments will cost more than the payments saved so whats changed all of a sudden and it can now save a billion pounds?
 
Well they either lied then or are lying now.....or both.

Take your pick

And since Jeremy Hunt was on the news this morning saying they couldn't give a figure on the threshold of the means test and that it would be sent out for consultaion if after they win the election, then I'm not sure how they can put a figure on how much it will save either

Oh and thats after he criticised the Labour policies of lacking in detail.....you can't make this **** up
 
Houses are now included in assets, so anyone who has a house worth £100,000k plus (ie, most people...) will now have to pay for social care. Clever Tories...
 
Houses are now included in assets, so anyone who has a house worth £100,000k plus (ie, most people...) will now have to pay for social care. Clever Tories...

I was just about to ask whether houses were included in that £100,000 figure......which if it is then makes it meaningless

So lets wind up the Tory supporters even more by pointing out that now not only will the lifelong workshy get everything paid for them, they still do into old age! ;)
 
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