Theresa May to create new internet that would be controlled and regulated by government

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Trump is anti net neutrality as well, which is basically what this is.

It's happening over there. They had this debate I think during the last year of Obama's administration. Tim Berners Lee and co managed to win and convince them anti net neutrality was a bad idea.

Unfortunately Trump thinks otherwise and appointed a new chief technology officer who is also anti net neutrality.

This is madness.
 
Trump is anti net neutrality as well, which is basically what this is.

It's happening over there. They had this debate I think during the last year of Obama's administration. Tim Berners Lee and co managed to win and convince them anti net neutrality was a bad idea.

Unfortunately Trump thinks otherwise and appointed a new chief technology officer who is also anti net neutrality.

This is madness.

"They" are determined to do it - they'll just use the setbacks while people think they've won some ground against such systems to push it through another channel before anyone realises.
 
Trump is anti net neutrality as well, which is basically what this is.

It's happening over there. They had this debate I think during the last year of Obama's administration. Tim Berners Lee and co managed to win and convince them anti net neutrality was a bad idea.

Unfortunately Trump thinks otherwise and appointed a new chief technology officer who is also anti net neutrality.

This is madness.

No, Tim Berners Lee is in favour of regulations when needed, he's obviously wants net neutrality but what May is proposing is not anti net neutrality.
 
The whole idea is dumb. Even if they convince everyone to put "backdoors" in to encryption (making things like internet banking highly insecure), terrorists could just encrypt/code the text itself. Then use an offline application to decode it.

All they will do is push more and more people in to using the dark web and going to even more extreme measures to hide their identity. Until they shut the snoopers out entirely.

I'm still curious about how on earth you go about putting a backdoor into encryption...

We already have algorithms which are (for practical purposes) unbreakable when implemented properly. Even if they release a new algorithm with their "backdoor" in, why would anyone use it over the existing methods?! :confused:

Because those bad egg's can cause devastation on huge amounts of innocent people, that won't happen to you from the government if you're innocent.

Define "innocent"?
 
How? How do you feel different to say 10 years ago? 5 years ago? I don't feel that my liberties are taken away, i freedom of expression (within reason), freedom of movement, freedom of thought..

do you not?

Well considering I can get jailed/arrested for making my dog do a Nazi salute or trolling someone online when 10 years ago that was unheard of...

I don't want a V for Vendetta totalitarianism, thank you very much.
 
Well considering I can get jailed for making my dog do a Nazi salute or trolling someone online when 10 years ago that was unheard of...

I don't want a V for Vendetta totalitarianism, thank you very much.

No, i dont either, obviously.

But youre shrowding the truth, i personally don't think it's ok to threaten people whether it's online or not. If you pass a certain threshold then the person will be jailed, fair enough? Say i threaten you with death every day for 6 months, would that not be fair to put me in jail for a little while to teach me a lesson?
 
No, I'd just block your ass and be done with it.

My background is in CS and I can guarantee you this: extreme surveillance does not work. The proposals the Tories are making are absolute madness to try and implement and will only endanger our security. These are policies made by politicians who don't have a clue how computers or the internet at large actually works. They have idealistic fantasies and grandeur of regulating the internet like how they regulate everything else, and then force the people who do know what they're doing to try and implement these maddening things even when they're flatly told 'this is impossible' (notable case in point: Let's ban encryption.)
 
This isn't just about intelligence and security. It goes beyond that.

The Tories want to filter your search results, for one. They want to remove "pornography and other sources of harm".

So the Tories have decided we shouldn't watch porn, and perhaps 50% of the electorate will be on side with that one. But what else will they define as "harmful", so as to block it?
 
No, I'd just block your ass and be done with it.

Then you should know that people can create fake accounts, again and again. I don't disagree with your surveillance comment, you'll know this, CCTV was at the forefront of surveillance over the last 20 years, do you think that has had a negative impact on our society?
 
Then you should know that people can create fake accounts, again and again. I don't disagree with your surveillance comment, you'll know this, CCTV was at the forefront of surveillance over the last 20 years, do you think that has had a negative impact on our society?
The difference is the govt can't come and put CCTV in your own house.

CCTV is either in public spaces, or installed by 3rd parties on property they own.

Things like hacking your phone to have it spy on you, installing key-loggers on your PC... etc, having backdoors in your OS... That is like having spy cameras in your own home, minus your consent.

A bit different, and a step too far for many.
 
The difference is the govt can't come and put CCTV in your own house.

CCTV is either in public spaces, or installed by 3rd parties on property they own.

Things like hacking your phone to have it spy on you, installing key-loggers on your PC... etc, having backdoors in your OS... That is like having spy cameras in your own home, minus your consent.

A bit different, and a step too far for many.

No but it's the same arguments we heard regarding CCTV, we can't do this, it's invasion of privacy, now it's the norm, people don't even recognise it.
No one would argue that CCTV hasn't been for the better.
 
This isn't just about intelligence and security. It goes beyond that.

The Tories want to filter your search results, for one. They want to remove "pornography and other sources of harm".

So the Tories have decided we shouldn't watch porn, and perhaps 50% of the electorate will be on side with that one. But what else will they define as "harmful", so as to block it?
The ridiculous censorship of "non-conventional" sex acts for example. Female ejaculation is bad but male ejaculation isn't?
 
No but it's the same arguments we heard regarding CCTV, we can't do this, it's invasion of privacy, now it's the norm, people don't even recognise it.
No one would argue that CCTV hasn't been for the better.

You don't have the right to privacy in public spaces. This is completely different to direct violations of privacy.
 
Then you should know that people can create fake accounts, again and again. I don't disagree with your surveillance comment, you'll know this, CCTV was at the forefront of surveillance over the last 20 years, do you think that has had a negative impact on our society?

That is when you get the website administration involved to outright ban them. Usually, the people who are this dedicated to internet harassment bring it to the real world, and then prosecution is fair game.
 
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