Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

They had a similar debate about security after the Brussels Airport attack last year regards moving the check outside the terminal and as far as I can see nothings changed, you just move the problem elsewhere.
We can't just ban everyone from carrying a bag or having a coat on in public can we? There really seems to be very very little we can do to stop a lone suspect carrying out an attack and it seems to me that the disruption that would be caused by "mass security" in any public place potentially under threat would basically mean conceding defeat to terror.
 
ethan said:
I don't accept that. Take the example of Fairford airshow where hundreds of thousands of people walk through four portable scanners with armed guards at either side. Works for them.
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Okay... so if somebody goes to the airshow and doesn't go through those barriers because "they're just here to pickup their son after the airshow, not actually attending the show" and then as people who did attend are leaving the site through those barriers they launch an attack there...?
 
ethan said:
I don't accept that. Take the example of Fairford airshow where hundreds of thousands of people walk through four portable scanners with armed guards at either side. Works for them.
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Scan for what though, metal? the entrances to the foyer is open to the public, how are you going to manage that amount of people?
 
ethan said:
I don't accept that. Take the example of Fairford airshow where hundreds of thousands of people walk through four portable scanners with armed guards at either side. Works for them.
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And the same at Disneyland Paris last time I went

But this is a public area - go to any event with a large crowd and at the exit time there are thousands of people crammed coming out into the public spaces / car parks. Clearly you only have to stand in one of those places like last night to catch a lot of people. Np matter where you put the boundary you create a choke point and its a public area the other side of it
 
chrismscotland said:
They had a similar debate about security after the Brussels Airport attack last year regards moving the check outside the terminal and as far as I can see nothings changed, you just move the problem elsewhere.
We can't just ban everyone from carrying a bag or having a coat on in public can we? There really seems to be very very little we can do to stop a lone suspect carrying out an attack and it seems to me that the disruption that would be caused by "mass security" in any public place potentially under threat would basically mean conceding defeat to terror.
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Agreed. The only solution to this problem (and it's not a silver bullet) is hugely beef up the UK security apparatus, and put significant numbers of the UK population under continued surveillance.

It's also time we built specialist prisons to house terrorist offenders and supporters of terrorist groups/acts that keep these people away from the general prison population and offer punishment beyond loss of liberty.
 
scorza said:
An eight year old girl is still missing as well. Gonna be tough reading about these victims...
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I don't know about anybody else, but that Radio Five interview with a survivor which I posted earlier (it's on the BBC live updates page if you scroll down) has affected me as much as any of the written news. Just listening to that poor woman struggling to keep going towards the end of the interview... It was too horrible.

SPG said:
Aside from Giving blood.

Yes, pretty much do nothing, its really very simple.
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Actually, I already linked to it earlier but I'll do so again in response to the suggestion that the people of Manchester are doing nothing. Over six and a half thousand people have so far given nearly a quarter of a million pounds to a fund to help the families of the victims (alive and dead).

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westandtogethermanchester

I imagine a good portion of that will sadly go to helping with funeral expenses.


Psycho Sonny said:
not really. by him not buying tickets in future as well as others it could force security companies to up their game at such events.

the people that work security at most public events aren't competent in the slightest
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I think that's unfair. It would be very difficult for them to have stopped a single, undetected individual walking up into a public area next to the train station.

Avenged7Fold said:
She knows exactly what she tweeted. Her career is built on this crap and people like her are responsible for growing the problem. A quick tweet, delete and a 'didnt mean that' apology seems her signiture move these days.

Her aim is just to evoke a reaction from those who both agree and disagree because she has figured out that it makes people pay attention to her.
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Kaitie Hopkins has built an entire career on the premise that a vile and vicious person isn't a vile and vicious person if they sometimes attack other vile and vicious people. Maybe she's dumb enough to have used the term "Final Solution" without knowing what she was saying, but I would not have much confidence in it. I think it's little worth talking about her, tbh. If you want intelligent critics, you can look to people like Sam Harris or Ben Shapiro. Hell, even Christopher Hitchens if you can stand him for more than five minutes. But Kaitie Hopkins has never brought anything to a debate that people didn't already know or thought ten times over. She's a light-weight soundbite factory when it comes to meaningful discussion. There are no answers from her.
 
MrRoper said:
Scan for what though, metal? the entrances to the foyer is open to the public, how are you going to manage that amount of people?
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I'm not saying it's going to stop it, just minimise the amount of casualties. The alternative is what has just happened.
 
Tefal said:
Its really weird comming to this thread 20+pages late.

It's quite astounding just how many complicated and far flung "theories" people came up with to avoid the obvious
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I thought exactly the same, balloons and such nonesense, complete ignorance.
 
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uncle_rufus said:
Don't think security were really at fault here... based on what has been said so far

It seems like with a gig like this quite a common practice might be dropping the kids off and seeing them safely through security, then heading for a meal out or whatever and then waiting for them in the foyer at the time the gig closed... Easy to see how someone could simply walk into that area without it seeming very suspicious... move security to the outside of the foyer? Well then the same person could simply wait outside the doors instead... There's always a point of crossover between the public space and the crowds leaving the event so even the tightest of security can't really do anything
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Exactly this, the only way to combat this would be to let small handfuls of people exit at a time. Which lets face it, is completely impractical when you're trying to get 18k people out of an arena.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
The UK needs its own Guantanamo. Round up every single person that has been flagged on MI5 systems with links to extremism and subject them to some intense questioning indefinitely. I guarantee this attacker is probably on some sort of watch list, but of course never quite watched closely enough...
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I have been saying this for months and i got jumped on by the usual apologists in these threads, good luck :)

I am only just reading through the thread, utterly sickening, killing and maiming our kids.

R.I.P to all.
 
Robbo said:
Still a large number of people saying they haven't heard from relatives, I suppose best case scenario is that they're non-critically wounded but don't have any ID on them. Awful.

Assuming this is an ISIS related incident - A friend of mine is ex Army and served in the middle east, he said that the Arab mindset is so massively different to our own that we'll never be able to change it. We're wasting our time there.

Unfortunately though I don't see a way to ever stop this, there are simply far too many people.
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or do what Trump did and close the borders to Arab's? sure there is some collateral damage and innocents aren't allowed in but so long as zero terrorists get in that is the whole point of doing it.
 
I know there a lot worse things in the world but apparently some people are sharing fake images of missing victims on social media. Why would you put any thought or energy in to this :(?
 
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