Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

US soldiers fighting in the Philippines at the turn of the 20th century did this. Dunno how effective it was but the US won that war.

The most effective way of defeating Islamic terrorism is for the Islamic communities themselves to stop it. The majority of muslims, like the majority of most people, just want to get on with their lives and not face lots of hostility. Radical muslims who want to kill infidels are a minority. But in between those and the ones who are entirely peaceful, are those who would never do such things but are willing to turn a blind eye because it's a cousin or a schoolfriend or, simply, because they sympathise. The West has indeed done terrible things in the Middle East and many muslims are closer to the victims, see the photographs that our press don't run, etc. It's not enough for them to commit murder, but they understand those who do. And so Radical Islam incubates rather than is challenged and thrown out. Tactics such as suggested above achieve the opposite of what is needed. They heighten the division making it "West vs. Muslims" which is obviously less helpful than "West + Most Muslims vs. Radical Minority."

Again, our best weapon in defeating terror are muslim community members themselves who know when their neighbour or cousin is going off the deep-end and are willing to stop them. No amount of surveillance can match that. So massive affronts to their beliefs only weaken our ability to anticipate attacks like this.
 
Well I work with about 15 guys from Pak (some living in the UK, and some living in Pak), and not one of them have said that I'm some sort of infidel. In fact, we all joke about that fact, and they all laugh at it because they know its stupid.

In fairness if they said otherwise they'd be reported to authorities in the current climate and be put on some sort of watch list. I'm not saying they all believe it just that it's not something they're going to freely admit to.
 
You're missing the point.
Do they consider you one of their own? I doubt it ;) What they say between each other and what they say between other people are two different things.

Well it doesn't come across that way when you are invited in to their own homes and looked after by them as if you were a family member. Mind you though, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer....
 
that works for a grenade as it's a tiny bomb (fits in 1 hand) and it's someone jumping right on top of it, effectively smothering it. with backpack bombs i doubt it makes any difference. in fact the pieces of bone being blown off people will effectively become shrapnel.

what would happen for instance if you stuck a tank on a nuke? not much i imagine

But tightly packed bodies will slow that shrapnel and lesson the damage.

Nuke and Tank....Hardly comparable to a grenade or backpack. Especially not knowing the amount of explosive in the backback. But hey ho!
 
I would draw everyone's attention to Isis's statement claiming responsibility....

firstly

1) yes it is highly unlikely that this was incident was the result of directed Isis action by an Isis trained and directed individual....

2) it is however true that Isis have instructed Muslims to 'kill the infidels anyway they can all over the world'

but onto the point..

in addition to referring to western 'Crusaders' (small point of note: any useful idiot that wants to buy the myth of a previously peaceful Islamic caliphate being invaded by the aggresive warmongering Christian states should review a bit of history..... Hint the battle of Tours where an Islamic army tried to invade northern Europe and fought against Charles Martels Army in what is modern day northern France was in 732AD the first crusade started in 1096AD after centuries of frequently violent expansion by Muslims)

one of the reasons given for the attack was that that the show was "shameless" . Yes that's right a concert predominately for teenage girls offends Isis that much that it becomes a legitimate target for mass murder. Fanatics like isis aren't going to stop if we change our foreign policy..... They hate our western way of life and the freedoms afforded to citizens (particularly women and minorities) in our societies and wish to destroy it.....
 
that works for a grenade as it's a tiny bomb (fits in 1 hand) and it's someone jumping right on top of it, effectively smothering it. with backpack bombs i doubt it makes any difference. in fact the pieces of bone being blown off people will effectively become shrapnel.

what would happen for instance if you stuck a tank on a nuke? not much i imagine

You are comparing a guy lying on a grenade to a tank on a nuke

Wow - nice comparison work there
 
Well it doesn't come across that way when you are invited in to their own homes and looked after by them as if you were a family member. Mind you though, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer....

I've little doubt those colleagues of yours from Pakistan are likely members of our society who've integrated well.

The ones we see who carry out these attacks or sympathise with the attackers are usually the opposite of that and live in Muslim only areas and socialise rarely if any with anyone outside of that.
 
You're missing the point.
Do they consider you one of their own? I doubt it ;) What they say between each other and what they say between other people are two different things.

Very much this! That's like someone coming forward and saying they are an offender just because you're a good friend... No chance
 
Does anyone actually Know what these modern terrorist actually want?

Is it for mass conversion to Islam or all out war with the west?

It just seems so weird to do such atrocities without actually stating the objectives of it all.
 
You're missing the point.
Do they consider you one of their own? I doubt it ;) What they say between each other and what they say between other people are two different things.

Why did you create a new account to post this sorta crap?

I dont doubt some of the Pakistanis living here harbour a them and us attitude but they are a minority, like the minority of natives here harbouring much the same attitude. I have very close Pakistani mates and they just seem like normal guys. I also doubt that you being mixed blood lent you any credibility that you are one of them. I think the only thing your story shows is that you once lived with an ******* and he is friends with other ******** of similar minds.

Funny that
 
Islamic fanatics who want to rule the world.

They hate the west but happy enough to scrounge off of them for education, benefits, housing, health etc etc......
 
For some it'll be the difference between going into debt to afford a basic funeral for their loved ones and not having to worry about the costs whilst getting a fitting one.

For others it'll be the difference between rubbish prosthetics and decent ones.

For others it'll be the difference between the basic level of counselling offered and appropriate professional help.

Obviously money can't eliminate the pain, but it can help and pretending otherwise is ridiculous.
Well said.
 
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