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Soldato
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Vega's tech ain't old though. It's far more advanced in ways compared to what Nvidia have atm so should be decent against Volta. When Volta comes around AMD also have a newer Vega in the form of 20. TBH nobody knows what Vega is capable of. The top Volta is a huge chip in comparison so it's a wait and see. You could be right and Navi is where AMD will look to fight back properly. This whole Vega saga is getting a little bit old and i just want to see what it can do. I don't know if it's still true but is it not still the case that Volta is going back more to an AMD kind of architecture to support DX12 better and that's why the chip might be so large. With 600mm2 being the biggest graphics chip in history and NV are over 800 for the top Volta then the performance might not be all that over Pascal when comparing chip size. I doubt the gaming chip will be this big but Nvidia look to be feeling the need to make a huge chip for the gains they are after.
It is. July, Ausust is a few months. The FE is released in June.
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Why bother waiting, just buy. 1080/to and be done with it. Worst case scenario and deliver a Vega card in a few months that is a little faster and a little cheaper. In the meantime you can enjoy gaming at max settings
Soldato
It is, currently June now.
Hopefully Vega will be another HD7900/R290 beast and not another Fury/RX400 fail.
They shouldn't even bother releasing it.NVIIDIA will wipe the floor with them as its the Volta time frame. Bet NVIDIA is having a party at HQ reading all this.
Could you please give us a detailed break down of vega performance since you know so much about it already?
Given this whole thread is based on rumours that may be a little difficult.
What we do know however is that the best of Polaris is coming in at half the performance of a mid range pascal card. (1080).
Vega does need to cover a lot of ground just to catch up. Naturally Volta will move the target even further.
Why bother waiting and waiting though? The performance people need is already here and has been for over a year.
Soldato
Polaris is coming in at about 65% of the 1080's performance not half. A 4096 shader Polaris alone would probably be slightly above a 1080 let alone with a massively higher clock(1500-1600Mhz has been expected for a long time) and IPC upgrades they have talked about.
All they showed was that the IPC was there. We never had any idea about how high it'll clock, so in actual truth everyone was in the dark until the last minute. In many ways it's no different than these demos with Doom/Sniper Elite/Prey... They showed something, but nothing that would reveal their hand.
Yes and it looks like Q2/17 will be the last quarter of loses (hence the explosion in share price). Starting Q3 they should be in the green.
^^^This.
61 is above 60
Technically, if he was talking about average FPS, it could've been 60.001
Soldato
So erm.... Where is the Vega news? Thought the big unveil was last night?
Caporegime
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Nope, just a crappy demo.
This would only happen as a Hail-Mary move to avoid bankruptcy. Thanks to the success of Ryzen, it is ten times more remote now than it was a year ago.
Sure, the GPU division went downhill because they decided that dGPU was dead and they stopped developing for that (Raja flat out admitted to that). Therefore they're playing catch-up now. But to put things into perspective: they were looking to use it for iGPUs (what they call APUs) which they thought was the future, so it never lost strategic importance.
Now, they were right in that iGPUs matter: Intel would love to have this sort of IP to use in its processors. You will see them hurting once Ryzen/Vega APUs hit the market in the second half of this year. At the same time, they couldn't have been more wrong in that dGPU is losing importance and this has cost them.
Either way, I doubt they could've pushed ahead on both fronts during the past few years, due to lack of funds. If you had to pick one of the two, the picked correctly: a resurgence in CPUs is more important than one in GPUs.
The news is: crossfire works in Prey and Raja messed up a couple of tweets about it comfortably beating any single GPU at 4K 60FPS, so it's all about what he meant by that....
Caporegime
Literally 2 months wait for Vega, which is a short time for those waiting. No big games coming out (that I know of) in that time, so hopefully then, they will have HBM2 sorted and drivers up to scratch. Summer is here as well guys and the sun and beach are calling
Soldato
So we are now looking at July aren't we for gaming cards?
Soldato
yeah it's why I've contemplated just buying a nice 1080ti, but the thing stopping me is my Freesync screen. Now I've played with adapative sync, I really don't want to play without it.
Caporegime
Yep or early August.
Caporegime
I hear that. Pretty much I am tied to G-Sync with the PG348Q and such a good monitor, I can't see me changing out for years.
All of them can still go out and buy a 1080ti right now. Unless they're now going to bypass Vega and wait for Volta, in which case they're just procrastinators and should really only blame themselves, as by then 7nm and Navi will be right around the corner...
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