London Bridge Incident

Vonhelmet said:
I have a problem with people who haven't actually done anything wrong being criminalised. Note for clarity conspiring would constitute doing something wrong, I'm not suggesting we have to wait for them to actually commit an attack.
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I have a problem with 3k plus of known people on the governments terrorist radar being allowed to walk around free!
 
koolpc said:
I have a problem with 3k plus of known people on the governments terrorist radar being allowed to walk around free!
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Are they all brown? I suspect probably not. I'm also not sure whether that's relevant.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to walk around freely? They've not done anything wrong. This is not Minority Report, with its pre-crime, or 1984 with its thoughtcrime.
 
scorza said:
Anyone spot the difference between what we're being told to do in the event of a terrorist attack, and what the residents of Palm Beach, FL are being told?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBkiRNKUAAAAQBh.jpg
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BTW, some people did fight back in London on Saturday night. Why aren't we encouraging more people to do the same?
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Being stabbed is not a barrel of laughs, that's why. I'd much rather people legged it and called the police who are considerably better equipped to shoot the baddies in the face.
 
scorza said:
BTW, some people did fight back in London on Saturday night. Why aren't we encouraging more people to do the same?
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It's not really something that can be taught, fight or flight is ingrained at a young age and most people being confronted with a 12" machete aren't going to take their chance.
 
Dis86 said:
Why the **** should we accept a culture that is not compliant with ours. I don't want a sexist, misogynistic, racist subculture within the UK and nor should you.
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Indeed, his post seems to blame us, we have accepted migrants for decades, we do not make them withdraw into their own backwards world, they do it, they dont want to integrate, certain parts of this culture just do not want to, that is not our fault.

I am sick of all the blaming all this on us or the West, their are parts of this culture\religion that are just a death cult.
 
Angilion said:
And I want to teleport to work, be told that I've won every lottery and then fly home on Pegasus. That's not going to happen either.

Even if we do accept being conquered, it wouldn't stop the violence. Even if we all convert to Islam and obey whatever masters take control of the country, there will be dissident Muslims who will kill and die for their version of Islam and there will be a government who will kill for their version of Islam and to keep their power.

There isn't a workable long term solution. Or a workable short term solution. There isn't a solution other than trying to limit the harm done and accepting that it's impossible to stop every attack.
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You've incorrectly interpreted what I've said, by assuming that I think we should allow ourselves to be conquered by terrorism which is ridiculous.

I'm saying we need a different strategy, because regardless of who you want to blame it on - the current strategy isn't working. We need a way of changing perception from the ground up - to me, it starts and ends with community cohesion.

If we have a divided community - us and them, we're going to have terrorism, it happened with the IRA, it's happening with Islam - and we're going through the same motions again, for decades, where we keep fighting fire with fire - any attempt to reason or try something different is written off as 'weak' or 'giving in' when in reality, it never gets solved until the issues in the community get solved, but that often generates a lot of discomfort because it requires input from both sides.

I don't believe that there isn't a workable long term solution, I think all you're really suggesting is a race to the bottom - giving up essentially, I think you could do better.
 
scorza said:
Anyone spot the difference between what we're being told to do in the event of a terrorist attack, and what the residents of Palm Beach, FL are being told?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBkiRNKUAAAAQBh.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBkiRNKUwAE6lVK.jpg

BTW, some people did fight back in London on Saturday night. Why aren't we encouraging more people to do the same?
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What am I going to do, throw my mobile phone or my decaff skinny latte at them? I'd love to think I would fight back, but not many people do in the world outside the movies.
 
Uther said:
What am I going to do, throw my mobile phone or my decaff skinny latte at them? I'd love to think I would fight back, but not many people do in the world outside the movies.
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Some people did! They lobbed glasses, tables and chairs!
 
Vonhelmet said:
Are they all brown? I suspect probably not. I'm also not sure whether that's relevant.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to walk around freely? They've not done anything wrong. This is not Minority Report, with its pre-crime, or 1984 with its thoughtcrime.
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Get real buddy. Skin colour has 'nothing' to do with it for goodness sake!

Your pathetic view of letting them walk around freely is the type that makes this country an easy target. Try telling those that have lost loved ones that their bomber had a right to walk around freely!
 
Screeeech said:
If we have a divided community - us and them, we're going to have terrorism, it happened with the IRA, it's happening with Islam - and we're going through the same motions again, for decades, where we keep fighting fire with fire - any attempt to reason or try something different is written off as 'weak' or 'giving in' when in reality, it never gets solved until the issues in the community get solved, but that often generates a lot of discomfort because it requires input from both sides
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The IRA generally weren't blowing themselves up for a cause and within reason were open to some concessions at the heart of this problem is something that edge cases aside isn't interested in reason and can't be appealed to with reason (this is not a condemnation of the wider Muslim community in this country - many of whom are increasingly reporting extremists).
 
Khuram Butt was one of the three men who carried out Saturday's terror attack in London, police have said.

The 27-year-old was married with children and lived in Barking, east London for a number of years.

He was of Pakistani heritage and once featured in a Channel 4 documentary about Islamist extremists with links to the jailed preacher Anjem Choudary.

Butt and two other assailants were shot dead by police after killing seven people and injuring 48.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40165646
 
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