London Bridge Incident
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Does not help with the continuous cuts in police funding by successive Tory governments....
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No one ever knows what they will do until you are confronted by such a situation....
Question is if this kind of thing is allowed to take root and grow due to the mixture of political and social sensitivity to the wider subject (and some naivety from the general public) will down the road we end up with little option but to take action along the lines of that in Egypt, Iraq, etc. where they resorted to stamping it out violently with extreme prejudice?
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If Saddam Hussein was still ruling IRAQ would ISIS have the influence they have today? Personally I think not, I do not even think Saddam would have allowed them to form in the first place...
Stamping it out harshly needs to be done. These people need to be sent a very strong message indeed. No puss.y footing around. If they are on the police radar then intercept, interrogate and kick them out of this country even if born here and into an islamic state one where they can live the way they want. Let them blow themselves up if they want but not in the UK. Get the **Please fully star swear words in future - EVH ** out!
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I don't think the best solution to a problem is harking back to a time a genocidal maniac was ruling a country through fear with his criminal family.
My point was kind of in theoretical sense is this something that we could deal with now in a more measured fashion if we stop being blind/too soft to the real issues that otherwise could end up leading to a situation where there is no choice but to take extreme and drastic action that could have been avoided if we hadn't been so stupid earlier on.
People (by that I mean those in authority) were absolutely terrified of the 'racist!' label IMO. I think that viewpoint is losing traction, because something has to be done, and fast,unless we want to see constant attacks.
It would depend if you were related to one of the 200,000 dead civilians since the US/UK intervention or indeed on of the 16 dead at the Islamic State Terror attack in Iraq 2 days before London?
Proof that these scum should be detained when they start showing signs of extremism, why the **** would you let him get his 2 minutes on TV, do what ever he does for a year or morethen let them do what they want to do.
"He appeared on a Channel 4 documentary last year titled “The Jihadist Next Door” where he unfurled an ISIS-style flag in London’s Regent's Park.
At least two individuals have claimed they reported him to the anti-terrorist hotline as his radical views emerged over the last two years."
Slam them up early,
"He appeared on a Channel 4 documentary last year titled “The Jihadist Next Door” where he unfurled an ISIS-style flag in London’s Regent's Park.
At least two individuals have claimed they reported him to the anti-terrorist hotline as his radical views emerged over the last two years."
Slam them up early,
Yeah I get that, we can't exactly negotiate with ISIS - who simply want us all dead because we don't believe, nobody can negotiate with that.
I'm talking long term, right now - there will be people in this country, sat plotting an attack - who are totally beyond reach by anybody, they're radicalised and they will attack, nothing can stop it other than it being detected before the act, or someone rats him out.
In order for any strategy to be effective, it must revolve around a long term view of community engagement to prevent radicalisation, it must involve everybody and not be a half-baked effort such as prevent, which simply involves getting people to rat each other out (such a thing is never going to work, other than perhaps provide a few quick wins)
My biggest fear is that nobody has the strength to engage - because it's hard. Anybody can blow stuff up, deploy troops and shoot at each other forever and ever, but actually getting a solution - that's tough, and it's going to be even tougher than it was with the IRA, whether we have the stomach for it - and would prefer to sit in the pub with our **** tattoos, drinking fosters, talking about sending them all back - is another matter.
Are you a troll,
You are happy to allow 100s of people who have been to war zones for no other reason than to learn to kill walk our streets?
You never actually give an answer\solution, you just pick apart other peoples opinions and try to ridicule them, but never actually provide a solution.
It's not as though you are providing solutions either...
If they had done something illegal they would have been arrested. Until there's proof of wrongdoing can't arrest them.
Don't get me wrong going to such a country without reason is incredibly suspicious but without proof thats all it is suspicious.
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If those in authority cant deal with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, how you expect them to do anything else.....
Too much fear of "racism" as above, too many people who still believe you can reach these people with dialogue, etc. we either nip it in the bud or should look to how it has unfolded in ME countries as to the kind of long term problem we will be dealing with requiring the gloves to actually come off in a way that I think will melt some people's brains here.
That is a major issue - until the news that came out last night for instance I had no idea just how deeply we are into Qatar.
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Just seen this:
Saudi Arabia are trying to pretend they are the good guys.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eak-diplomatic-ties-with-qatar-over-terrorism
Gulf plunged into diplomatic crisis as countries cut ties with Qatar
The Gulf has been hit by its biggest diplomatic crisis in years after Arab nations including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Bahrain cut ties with Qatar, accusing it of destabilising the region with its support for Islamist groups.
The countries said they would halt all land, air and sea traffic with Qatar, eject its diplomats and order Qatari citizens to leave the Gulf states within 14 days. Shoppers in the Qatari capital, Doha, meanwhile packed supermarkets amid fears the country, which relies on imports from its neighbours, would face food shortages after Saudi Arabia closed its sole land border.
Social media reports from Doha showed supermarket shelves empty as nervous consumers began to worry that stocks of food and water would run out. As much as 40% of Qatar’s food comes over the Saudi border.
The small but very wealthy nation, the richest in the world per capita, was also expelled from a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen.
Saudi Arabia are trying to pretend they are the good guys.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eak-diplomatic-ties-with-qatar-over-terrorism
Gulf plunged into diplomatic crisis as countries cut ties with Qatar
The Gulf has been hit by its biggest diplomatic crisis in years after Arab nations including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Bahrain cut ties with Qatar, accusing it of destabilising the region with its support for Islamist groups.
The countries said they would halt all land, air and sea traffic with Qatar, eject its diplomats and order Qatari citizens to leave the Gulf states within 14 days. Shoppers in the Qatari capital, Doha, meanwhile packed supermarkets amid fears the country, which relies on imports from its neighbours, would face food shortages after Saudi Arabia closed its sole land border.
Social media reports from Doha showed supermarket shelves empty as nervous consumers began to worry that stocks of food and water would run out. As much as 40% of Qatar’s food comes over the Saudi border.
The small but very wealthy nation, the richest in the world per capita, was also expelled from a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen.