I do care. The overwhelming majority don't, otherwise churches would be a damn sight fuller than they are.
London Bridge Incident
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In addition to that, appeasement wouldn't work anyway even if we did want it. The only way that can work is with submission, accepting that we have been conquered and baring our neck to the conquerers' swords (metaphorically or literally, whatever is required to show our submission). Even that wouldn't stop the killing, of course, because there would be conflict between different strains of Islam along with coups or coup attempts every now and then or there would be the brutally efficient tyranny needed to stop those things happening (Saddam Hussein, etc, etc).
Appeasement hardly ever works and never when the ideology you're trying to appease exists for the purpose of absolute rule of everyone and everything everywhere forever.
The main reason they are empty because they stopped being Christian to be liberal. I have no desire to see belly dancing and tarot card reading at my local.
Most Muslims manage to live here without any difficulty, and most would suffer as much as the rest of us if we were to attempt a course of appeasement. It's a tiny minority that are a problem. We need to find a way to tackle that minority, as the majority are not an issue.
Whatever. Most churches wouldn't have anything to do with either of those activities. People aren't not going to church because it isn't strict enough, give over. People aren't going because they don't believe in god and they don't care.
nah the majority are an issue but in a different way
as much as people can blame foreign policy we could also blame muslim immigration - if we didn't have so many muslims we wouldn't have anywhere near the amount of attacks, foiled or otherwise, anyway
there are issues in the Islamic community in the UK and not just the 'tiny minority' of extremists but widespread issues relating to integration, cooperation with authorities and views that directly conflict with liberal western values
How about 1400 years? Islam has been like this since the day it was created. Violent conquest was what Islam was created for and what it's been used for since it was created. The first Islamic wars of aggression predate the existence of England, let alone the USA or even the UK! They got as far as Tours in the early 8th century. More than a thousand years before the USA existed. Almost 1000 years before the UK existed. Over 100 years before England existed.
EDIT: To give some geographical context for people who don't want to look it up - Tours is less than 300 miles from London.
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I slightly disagree actually - for many it isn't a cognitive belief or disbelief in God it is more they see no relevance to their lives whether God exists or not and/or even if they think God does exist don't believe in the restrictions/limitations that many Churches or Christian groups adhere to - some of which are legacy issues out of touch with both modern living and the core theme of the relevant scripture they are based on.
My thoughts on the matter are largely the same.
Not sure I'm putting it very clearly but many seem to not really care enough to have a cognitive disbelief in God its just entirely irrelevant to them.
Why aren't we trying to kill Americans for the same reason?
Germans and Japanese in particular have a far better claim on that basis, given that during WW2 far more German and Japanese civilians were killed by the Allies in a far less accidental way. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind. Goes the other way too, of course. Should I hate and murder Germans because of the Blitz?
I think you're understating the case.
I'll be more blunt - I think the root of the problem is obviously Islam. If it wasn't, then all these people with far more claim to group identity vengeance would be doing it. French, Belgians, Italians, Dutch, British, German, Japanese...pretty much everyone.
I wouldn't disagree. It's a position of disinterest and apathy.
Yeah that nails it (atleast what I see - not necessary a representation of the country in general).
And I want to teleport to work, be told that I've won every lottery and then fly home on Pegasus. That's not going to happen either.
Even if we do accept being conquered, it wouldn't stop the violence. Even if we all convert to Islam and obey whatever masters take control of the country, there will be dissident Muslims who will kill and die for their version of Islam and there will be a government who will kill for their version of Islam and to keep their power.
There isn't a workable long term solution. Or a workable short term solution. There isn't a solution other than trying to limit the harm done and accepting that it's impossible to stop every attack.
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If a "normal moderate Muslim" sees the horrors of ISIS being criticised in the media and feels that this reflects poorly on them, I'd say we have big problems.
Seems like they have removed it from their site. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-jihadis-next-door/episode-guide
I watched it last year.
It is short sighted indeed. I don't think anyone is arguing that foreign policy is the sole reason of this. These people have always been capable of such atrocities but UK has given them motivation (foreign policy), ground (free entry to the country) and all the tolerance they could ask for. People are asking for deportation... send them where with their british passports?
Blame UKs remote location and inexperience with dealing with their culture and ways, blame oil greed and trying to please US. A bit of everything really. Many mistakes were made.
Athens has more than a quarter of a million Muslims and not a single mosque
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Agree
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It's still on Netflix if anyone is interested.