Tower block fire - london

Caracus2k said:
sarcasm you say?

so I suggest Corbyn was wrong to suggesting unnecessary arbitary seizure of property in response to a serious but localised emergency and this is the best reply you have?

'Your other points aren't interesting, i don't give a **** if "comrade" Corbyn starts up gulags in north London, it doesn't affect me.'

perhaps JC was just being 'sarcastic' or I missed the 'nuance' with his suggestion as well!

other people may alternatively think that both statements indicate something profound about the respective sources....
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I'm not even sure how property seizure would work in this case - by the time it was done and dusted it would be far too late to help here and most of the suitable properties would be well outside of the immediate area - which is where most of the residents vocally want to stick near.

Smacks a bit of grandstanding from Corbyn while showing his hand a bit on where his real position lies.
 
This country has serious issues and problems, leaving or remaining in the EU will not fix them, All our problems and issues are self inflicted and using BREXIT as the fix is completely wrong. There is a massive failure in understanding the root of all these issues by the political establishment. The political establishment who are only interested in their own ideology present to the public their own self centred serving objectives and have no interest in doing what is best for this nation and what is best for the people of this nation. Can this be fixed? No. There needs to be a fundamental shift in the ideology of the political establishment.
 
chef-borjan said:
I think so.

Apart from the general sorting, there were specific boxes labelled with "person 102", a rough description of them (ie female, 55, size whatever) for example and a list of exactly what they required. The box would eventually be filled and it would be taken away.

I think I also saw some families come in directly to ask for things, a few hugs given out from them to the volunteers after the correct bedding or whatever was located.
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Thats good to see that the people are getting the help they need....
 
arknor said:
so if it was a house fire they would be offended if you offered them to stay in houses? why dont they stay with friends and family like everyone else would have to after a fire and stop trying to milk the situation to get a house somewhere, no doubt they are already jumping the housing list which is probably multiple years long.
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Seriosuly?
 
awaybreaktoday said:
This country has serious issues and problems, leaving or remaining in the EU will not fix them, All our problems and issues are self inflicted and using BREXIT as the fix is completely wrong. There is a massive failure in understanding the root of all these issues by the political establishment. The political establishment who are only interested in their own ideology present to the public their own self centred serving objectives and have no interest in doing what is best for this nation and what is best for the people of this nation. Can this be fixed? No. There needs to be a fundamental shift in the ideology of the political establishment.
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You've only got to look at the house of lords to realise this. The year is 2017 not 1817
 
awaybreaktoday said:
This country has serious issues and problems, leaving or remaining in the EU will not fix them, All our problems and issues are self inflicted and using BREXIT as the fix is completely wrong. There is a massive failure in understanding the root of all these issues by the political establishment. The political establishment who are only interested in their own ideology present to the public their own self centred serving objectives and have no interest in doing what is best for this nation and what is best for the people of this nation. Can this be fixed? No. There needs to be a fundamental shift in the ideology of the political establishment.
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A Marxist regime will not solve the UK's problems either.
 
The official response to this tragedy has been like something you would see in a third world ****hole.
Finally, several days later, the authorities seem to be getting their act together.
 
stewski said:
But we agree current regulation affecting unoccupied housing is inadequate.
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in a free society people should be free to do what they want with there property with state intervention only where necessary. The tax system should, where possible, seek to incentivise the good use of property in general but that's it. If someone want to buy property, pay their taxes and leave in empty or under utilised that's their right as far as I am concerned.
 
Uther said:
The official response to this tragedy has been like something you would see in a third world ****hole.
Finally, several days later, the authorities seem to be getting their act together.
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Really? Or perhaps it is more the perception and political posturing.

The residents appear to be well taken care of relative to the typical victim of a house/building fire - where they're re-homed will be subject to lots of scrutiny and there has already been a pledge to re-home them either in or close to the borough. Funds have already been set aside for them for general expenses (5K in cash) through to funds for mental heath and funeral costs.

Sure they were massively failed by the chain of events/people involved in making sure that building and the work done to it was safe but the coverage of lots of the reaction to the event smacks of political point scoring. There seem to have been a mass of donations both to the local authority and various ad-hoc groups and charities - I'm not sure that co-ordination between these is ever likely going to be perfect.

stewski said:
But we agree current regulation affecting unoccupied housing is inadequate.
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You should perhaps clarify what you mean, are you just saying in a round about way that 'something needs to be done'? Do you have any ideas/suggestions about what you might want to change re: regulations?
 
The manifesto itself is more Keynesian than Marxist but given that many of the current movers and shakers in Labour have hard left leanings with articulated support of stronger socialist and Marxist principles it would be asinine to think that things wouldn't slide in that direction if they were in a position of power - same as it would be silly to suggest May hasn't got Totalitarian leanings given her favouring policies in that direction.
 
Are people on these forums waking up to the Keynesian concept of stimulation and growth to prevent the sort of Economic death spiral we've seen over the last 7 years?

Just here not long ago I had plenty of those (supposedly rare) personal attacks for suggesting that the government budget is not the same as your Asda bill and that you don't quantitatively ease your credit card or borrow to discover north sea oil in you back garden.

It's great that the discussion has moved on from the spending is automatically bad/Keynesian economics denial and now shifts to, I think he looks like a marxist!
 
stewski said:
Even the New Statesman wouldn't call the Labour Manifesto Marxist?
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/labours-manifesto-more-keynesian-marxist
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as the old saying goes actions speak louder then words.... Labours manifesto was a carefully managed (if fanciful) document.

The tories manifesto was a in places slightly totalitarian (never my unworkable and counterproductive) in others nasty document that May and her advisers thought they could slide past the UK voters thinking that Corbyn was such an electoral liability to Labour that the general populace would be so consumed by not voting for Labour to notice what certain elements of the Tory party were trying to sneak by.... They were wrong (perhaps a slight silver lining to me to Labours electoral gains under Corbyn)

However at least the tory manifesto was likely a more honest statement of intent in my opinion as i fully expected the tories intended it to use as a lever to get some of their more dogmatic policies through parliament (they thought they would have a huge majority and thought therefore that would be able to claim a mandate for their more extreme proposals).

My opinion of labours manifesto however was that of a populist entirely unworkable (especially against an economic backdrop of brexit) list. It promised more jam to pretty much everyone (bar the 'rich') with some unlikely measures to be implemented to partially finance the states new largesse

frankly I believe it was not a true statement of intent, especially for the parties upper echelons and was simply designed to have over the sections of the populace easily swung by promises of generous state provisions whilst glossing over how it was to be paid for and what the long term effects would be

when Corbyn rocked up as still smouldering disaster site and irresponsibly suggested that at least part of the solution was a good old Marxist land grab it just helped further my conviction that Corbyn was both a liar and a dangerous individual
 
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