Finsbury Park Van Attack

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Not from where I'm sitting. The Tories won the GE and are in power. May's internet restrictions will happen I expect whether we like it or not.

she's in power and so her executive decisions etc.. are not really impacted - her legislative plans on the other hand are going to be much more difficult than before and some things may have to be dropped... Grammar schools are going to be hard to push through, the social care funding changes are going to be hard to push through, ditto to cuts to winter fuel payments etc.. whether or not she can push through this internet regulation isn't clear - certainly less chance of it being successful than if she hadn't bodged up her campaign and ended up in a minority govt with DUP support
 
She also didn't really win so that Internet control cannot quite come into effect. She may still be in for now but with limited powers.
 
She also didn't really win so that Internet control cannot quite come into effect. She may still be in for now but with limited powers.

Except that she did and the Conservatives are the government. Yes, with a reduced majority (+DUP) but they are still in power and with the way important votes are whipped, she'll still get a lot of things through.

And anyway, they'll just wrap it up as protecting children from terrorists and it will pass through with no problem.
 
Ah yes, silly me. I was thinking it was why the youth vote came out to stop the Internet control. Hence the huge campaign on social media.
And vote labour who helped the snoopers charter on its way?

And evidence that any of Mays draconian bs would help?
 
And vote labour who helped the snoopers charter on its way?

And evidence that any of Mays draconian bs would help?

I'm not suggesting anything. They're both awful but the politicians think the only way to stop it is monitoring/archiving it way over and above what they already do.

Even still, what do you look for. Some of these threads could or likely cause red flags with all the keywords recently no doubt like every other forum with all this news. Yet they didn't even pick up the red flags with the ones they knew about.
 
attacker named as Darren Osborne - and weirdly (for a supremacist or whatever he is) he's also doing the ISIS/terrorist finger pointing in the air pose...

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Father of four and a southerner. I think to keep us safe all southerners should be banned from going north of Watford gap.
 
Has our government actually done anything concrete to try and prevent terror attacks since the last ones in London and Manchester? I can't help but feel if there was actually something other than endless platitudes being offered it would at least go some way to prevent incidents like this one.

Nope Theresa May did the whole "enough is enough" speech and then after suggesting draconian new internet laws aimed at everyone and going after hate speech it's very much business as usual. Neither non-Muslims or the Muslim community benefit from the government doing nothing, it doesn't matter what side the attack comes from each incident just causes further division. Terrorism is winning it's tearing apart social cohesion.

I think the problem is the government don't know what to do, the best option would be a Trump style ban and hope the terorrists already on our soil kill themselves off, have some proper immigration vetting from countries where terrorist groups like ISIS exist. It's not even possible until we leave the EU though and politics is such that wanting to vet Muslims is seen as racist. Even then that doesn't solve people being radicalised online.
 
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Has our government actually done anything concrete to try and prevent terror attacks since the last ones in London and Manchester? I can't help but feel if there was actually something other than endless platitudes being offered it would at least go some way to prevent incidents like this one.

What is the solution?

Should we be rounding up all those on terror watch lists and incarcerating them without due process, for indeterminate periods of time? I bet that will have much less support in this thread where people can't dodge the question of whether it should only affect Islamist terrorists or also affect "right" wing terrorists as well.

Dealing with ones already known for nefarious activities is surely a good starting point? Inciting violence, downloading terrorist manuals, people coming back from war zones seems like perfectly reasonable measures to take given our situation.

Concrete blocks and soldiers are only useful for reacting to a situation rather than preventing one.

The issue is evidence. You can't arrest someone for thought crime. People coming back from warzones are already being arrested, same wth people inciting violence. The issue is more the low level stuff that isn't illegal but is still incitement, whether that be an inflammatory speaker or inflammatory publications. Those could be religious leaders making speeches and distributing leaflets, or it could be people like Katie Hopkins and media outlets like the DM that stretch the truth and regularly write borderline articles with very obvious agendas.

You can't really make them illegal as that's a very slippery slope, but at the same time they reinforce the opinions and possibly sway the thoughts of of those that would resort to violence.
 
What is extreme right wing? Some people are so far left they see centre ground as extreme right wing nutters. Everyone has their own definition ready to hang them.
 
Nope Theresa May did the whole "enough is enough" speech and then after suggesting draconian new internet laws aimed at everyone and going after hate speech it's very much business as usual. Neither non-Muslims or the Muslim community benefit from the government doing nothing, it doesn't matter what side the attack comes from each incident just causes further division. Terrorism is winning it's tearing apart social cohesion.

I think the problem is the government don't know what to do, the best option would be a Trump style ban and hope the terorrists already on our soil kill themselves off, have some proper immigration vetting from countries where terrorist groups like ISIS exist. It's not even possible until we leave the EU though and politics is such that wanting to vet Muslims is seen as racist. Even then that doesn't solve people being radicalised online.

3 religious nutters with a white van and knives, a single homemade bomb and a rightwing reaction in a car, if based on these you'd like to install supreme leader trump and a wall mentality, how on earth would you have coped during the 80s and 90s?
 
I live nearby and walk past where the attack happened everyday, so I can give you a well informed run down.

The Finsbury Park mosque is in St. Thomas Road; yes it is the same mosque that was quite controversial in the past, but that changed quite some time ago. It has already been the subject of attacks by anti-islamic types, you may remember it was actually national news when somebody tried to firebomb it. After that happened, they kept a police officer on duty outside, but I think that's since stopped.

The Muslim Welfare House is on Seven Sisters Road, around the corner from the Mosque, roughly 3-4 minutes walk away. It's right next to one of the entrances to Finsbury Park station and tends to be quite busy with a pretty narrow pavement given the amount of foot traffic. This is just before the railway bridge, so when you see the live news coverage on TV, they are reporting from the other side of the bridge, looking in that direction.

Where the attack actually happened is on a road called Whadcoat Street off of Seven Sisters Road, it's pretty much a tiny cul-de-sac with only room for three or four cars. This is still a minute or so walk from the Muslim Welfare House, as you have to cross a busy road. Over the past six months or so, I've noticed that a group of (mostly young) Muslim men gather in the early evening in this road, presumably after prayer. They are usually playing some kind of game on the street, I don't know what it's called though.

The attack happened at that particular spot, with witnesses describing how he left the bus lane and turned left into the road.... it's a very sharp turn, so I'm not sure it's something you could tackle at a particularly high speed, otherwise the van would likely be in the wall.

The attack actually happened closer to a Church than it did any Islam mosque or centre.

That's a good description. I tried looking up where you meant on Street View but I couldn't quite find it. Can you link to it here?

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Just move the nap to where it is and click "share" and it will give a URL for exactly that angle and position. That's if you're willing to take a few moments!
 
What is extreme right wing? Some people are so far left they see centre ground as extreme right wing nutters. Everyone has their own definition ready to hang them.

If you happen to oppose uncontrolled immigration at all, you are extreme right.... /s that's according to people like JK rowling/lily allen I would guess.
 
What is extreme right wing? Some people are so far left they see centre ground as extreme right wing nutters. Everyone has their own definition ready to hang them.

In this situation people holding extreme "right" wing views would be white (or other ethnicity) supremacists, ultra nationalists, ultra xenophobes etc. The kind of people that drive vehicles into crowds because they don't believe in the same ideology, that beat up/murder people because they are a different colour/religion/nationality.

On the opposite side of the fence you have the extreme "left" that generally consists of anarchists and anti capitalists that generally seem to like to smash things up

Then you have the likes of Trump and Le Pen who aren't extreme right, but are pretty far "right" in many of their policy suggestions. People like them can help those with extreme views justify their actions. The same could probably be said with someone like Corbyn and the extreme "left".

If you happen to oppose uncontrolled immigration at all, you are extreme right.... /s that's according to people like JK rowling/lily allen I would guess.

That's not really the case at all is it? When you start insisting on discriminatory/anti immigration/racist policy with no fact or thought behind it that's when your views start to get seen as rather extreme.

There are plenty of non extreme "right" arguments against immigration, but using excuses like "banning all Muslims from entering the country" whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact all the terror attacks in the last 20 of so years (excluding one far right one about 15 years ago by a polish guy IIRC) in the UK have been perpetrated by British born people is not on of them...

Ironically those comments usually come from those that use the term "lefty" at every opportunity, seemingly to describe anyone with remotely moderate/central views as well as those with left wing views... that probably also gives an indication of just how far "right" that person actually is.
 
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What is extreme right wing? Some people are so far left they see centre ground as extreme right wing nutters. Everyone has their own definition ready to hang them.

Whatever distance on whatever wing he was at, wanting to run over dead as many of your target grouping as possible is certainly extreme.
Are you afraid calling him an extreme right winger besmirches the reputation of extreme right wingers?
 
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