Finsbury Park Van Attack

[zoomee]

While it's entirely true the media do peddle negative rhetoric, things really only kick off when a terrorist who identifies as Muslim carries out an attack on British soil. The sad reality is, the religion is heavily associated with terrorism, even if it is a very small number of people.

No. If you want to look at root causes - up till we started the 'wars of revenge' there were NO 'muslamic' attacks here in the UK. It was unheard of.

When we decided to go start bombing the crap out of afghanistan with our american warmonger buddies, then illegally took over iraq, helped bomb the crap out of libya the past two years - what did you expect? There wasn't going to be reprisals? - We go around the world carrying out indiscriminate drone attacks like we own the world or something then wonder why people hate us?

Our intelligence services have been telling us for years that these wars will only make terrorism worse. Did we stop? No- Now you have the cheek to say its because muslims are carrying attacks on british soil? lol.

The only thing heavily associated with terrorism is 'politics'. The politicians are the only winners, everyone else loses, whilst they sit in their ivory towers.

 

[dowie]

Maybe in your own twisted reality. Statistics in america clearly show the white supremacist is more of a danger than the 'muslamic' one. But hey, don't let me get in the way of your twisted reality

Ask any muslim actor - there's plenty of them complaining out there that the only roles they are offered are roles of being terrorists.
Hollywood is only interested in employing muslims if they play the 'baddie'.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...fidels-time-to-fix-hollywoods-problem-muslims

Well you've not really linked to a source for your movie statistics - were these movies set purely in America or in various world wide locations? Which movies were you referring to?

It isn't a twisted reality to point out that Islamism is the biggest cause of terror attacks worldwide, cherry picking stats for just one country to then declare someone else's 'reality' twisted is rather dubious.

 

[dowie]

No. If you want to look at root causes - up till we started the 'wars of revenge' there were NO 'muslamic' attacks here in the UK. It was unheard of.

When we decided to go start bombing the crap out of afghanistan with our american warmonger buddies, then illegally took over iraq, helped bomb the crap out of libya the past two years - what did you expect? There wasn't going to be reprisals? - We go around the world carrying out indiscriminate drone attacks like we own the world or something then wonder why people hate us?

OK lets flip this victim blaming argument around to play devils advocate: How about this attack - what did muslims expect when they carried out attacks in this country? No wonder people hate them... etc..

 

[D.P.]

or presumably the other way around, the terrorists in these films were muslims... which isn't exactly an uncommon thing in reality either

Except in the US and Europe that isn't the case at all. White supremacists, nationalists, Jewish terrorists, extreme left, Porto Rican separatists, animals rights activists etc. Are all significant contributors.

I'm surprised you have fallen for the media rhetoric

 

[Robbo]

No. If you want to look at root causes - up till we started the 'wars of revenge' there were NO 'muslamic' attacks here in the UK. It was unheard of.

When we decided to go start bombing the crap out of afghanistan with our american warmonger buddies, then illegally took over iraq, helped bomb the crap out of libya the past two years - what did you expect? There wasn't going to be reprisals? - We go around the world carrying out indiscriminate drone attacks like we own the world or something then wonder why people hate us?

Our intelligence services have been telling us for years that these wars will only make terrorism worse. Did we stop? No- Now you have the cheek to say its because muslims are carrying attacks on british soil? lol.

The only thing heavily associated with terrorism is 'politics'. The politicians are the only winners, everyone else loses, whilst they sit in their ivory towers.

I'm talking in terms of recent events. If your opinion is that we are only getting what we deserve due to our actions of the past, well, that's your worrying opinion...

 

[dowie]

Except in the US and Europe that isn't the case at all. White supremacists, nationalists, Jewish terrorists, extreme left, Porto Rican separatists, animals rights activists etc. Are all significant contributors.

I'm surprised you have fallen for the media rhetoric

I've not... see the other reply

 

[zoomee]

Well you've not really linked to a source for your movie statistics - were these movies set purely in America or in various world wide locations? Which movies were you referring to?

It isn't a twisted reality to point out that Islamism is the biggest cause of terror attacks worldwide, cherry picking stats for just one country to then declare someone else's 'reality' twisted is rather dubious.

We were talking about hollywood - hence the american reference.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-threat-in-the-us-report-finds-10342987.html

Here you go - read the report yourself - go-on, now give us some crap about how statistics can lie after you asked for them.

Even when the facts are there - Our Intelligence services CONFIRM these facts - people still believe otherwise.

 

[hornetstinger]

No. If you want to look at root causes - up till we started the 'wars of revenge' there were NO 'muslamic' attacks here in the UK. It was unheard of.

When we decided to go start bombing the crap out of afghanistan with our american warmonger buddies, then illegally took over iraq, helped bomb the crap out of libya the past two years - what did you expect? There wasn't going to be reprisals? - We go around the world carrying out indiscriminate drone attacks like we own the world or something then wonder why people hate us?

Our intelligence services have been telling us for years that these wars will only make terrorism worse. Did we stop? No- Now you have the cheek to say its because muslims are carrying attacks on british soil? lol.

The only thing heavily associated with terrorism is 'politics'. The politicians are the only winners, everyone else loses, whilst they sit in their ivory towers.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...on-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/

Those darn Hindus- are there own faulty eh?

 

[zoomee]

I'm talking in terms of recent events. If your opinion is that we are only getting what we deserve due to our actions of the past, well, that's your worrying opinion...

Nobody deserves to die in my eyes. Putting words into my mouth does not make your POV correct either. I always look further than just what is currently 'visible'.
You were talking about root causes - well I brought up the original root cause for all this mess.
Brush it under the carpet like our politicians are. Our foreign policies have a lot to account for - just like MI5 keep reminding us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10693001

 

[dowie]

We were talking about hollywood - hence the american reference.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-threat-in-the-us-report-finds-10342987.html

Here you go - read the report yourself - go-on, now give us some crap about how statistics can lie after you asked for them.

Even when the facts are there - Our Intelligence services CONFIRM these facts - people still believe otherwise.

you've presented me with stats re: attacks when I asked you for stats re: the movies you referred to:

Just take a look at how many islam-negative films poured out of Hollywood last year - 99% were all portraying muslims in a negative light as terrorists.

that was the claim you made - I then questioned what these films were, where they were set etc.. Are you saying they were all set in the USA?

 

[Six6siX]

If anyone thinks those papers and media outlets don't encourage hateful, aggressive and divisive attitudes to fester and grow then they are simply deluded.

 

[hornetstinger]

Nobody deserves to die in my eyes. Putting words into my mouth does not make your POV correct either. I always look further than just what is currently 'visible'.
You were talking about root causes - well I brought up the original root cause for all this mess.
Brush it under the carpet like our politicians are. Our foreign policies have a lot to account for - just like MI5 keep reminding us.

Plenty of people deserve to die. It's just modern society deems "putting them down" as immoral.

Pretty much anyone who spouts out mass murder and is going to inact those acts like mohammed should get a bullet to their head. So should mass murderers, repeat rapists, the worst in society.

 

[dowie]

Nobody deserves to die in my eyes. Putting words into my mouth does not make your POV correct either. I always look further than just what is currently 'visible'.
You were talking about root causes - well I brought up the original root cause for all this mess.
Brush it under the carpet like our politicians are. Our foreign policies have a lot to account for - just like MI5 keep reminding us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10693001

OK and we can flip this around again - with Islam has a lot of account for...

 

[Robbo]

Nobody deserves to die in my eyes. Putting words into my mouth does not make your POV correct either. I always look further than just what is currently 'visible'.
You were talking about root causes - well I brought up the original root cause for all this mess.
Brush it under the carpet like our politicians are. Our foreign policies have a lot to account for - just like MI5 keep reminding us.

What can we do about that now? We can all go back through history and make excuses for everything. The reality is there are a significant number of radicalised extremists who aim to cause us harm. They are disgusting and can't be defended in any way.

Even if we were to hold our hands up and say we've made mistakes, they wouldn't stop. They are a relentless evil.

In my view, the entire world is a farce, wars have been blatantly waged over oil for example, yet people won't address these issues - they never will. Yet it doesn't make these acts of terror against the innocent any easier to understand.

 

[zoomee]

@@Dowie

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/31...ght-terrorists-pose-a-clear-danger-to-us-all/

Today, the terror threat from far-right white supremacists is the terror threat that dare not speak its name. Leading conservatives, and even some liberals, are keen to downplay the danger that they pose and to divert and deflect attention away from homegrown white extremists and toward what President Trump likes to call “radical Islamic terrorism.”

Yet the numbers don’t lie — even if the Islamophobes do. “Since September 12, 2001,” noted a recent report prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office, “the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.” Imagine that.

The report continues: “Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).” That’s a margin of almost three to one.

The report points out that “the total number of fatalities is about the same for far-right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period,” with the latter edging out the former by 119 to 106. However, the report also acknowledges that “41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event — an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016.”

 

[dowie]

In my view, the entire world is a farce, wars have been blatantly waged over oil for example.

which wars are you referring to there?

 

[Robbo]

which wars are you referring to there?

It was a factor in the Iraq war.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

And I can link you EVERY single thing you have pointed out there for ALL them religions. There are idiots in all walks of life.
YOU Thompson_NCL are a prime example of what I've just said - you seem to think its all rosy in other religions and ONLY islam suffers from these issues. Where did you get this from? oh yes, the media. Quick to highlight when a muslim does it but ignores it when hindu's are gang raping women, blowing up buses and attacking temples and other places of worship. Don't get me started on Jewish terrorism - its still taking place in Israel - The 'beacon of democracy crap' - lol.

What do you expect when 99.6% (to be precise) of crap that churns out of hollywood is anti-muslim. You just soak it all up.

I do not think other religions are innocent, that is just a straw man you created to avoid addressing the issue. What I think is that in terms of scale, Islam is far more pernicious than any other religion, both within the UK, europe and the world at large.

This is not the same as saying that all Muslims are bad people, or that all Jews, Sikhs and Hindus are good. There are jerks in all walks of life. But Islam is a religion which uniquely glorifies violence; its founder was a bandit who slaughtered and beheaded his enemies. A sentiment his modern day followers still seek to emulate.

 

[Tosno]

No matter how you paint it, it was a quintessential "right" wing attack by a white supremacist, ultra nationalist neo nazi. You can blabber on about being a bernie "supporter" all you like it doesn't negate the facts of the actual incident.

As we know, science say the left are psychotic http://nypost.com/2016/06/09/science-says-liberal-beliefs-are-linked-to-pyschotic-traits/ (oh the irony Bernie supporters shown as the main picture)
And as I shown from lolinfowars (the only "argument" against it) the Portland guy is very extreme left wing in his default mental state, clearly his psyche snapped even more and became the object of his left wing hate.

 

[dalehitchy1]

OK and we can flip this around again - with Islam has a lot of account for...

I personally don't doubt that Islam has a root cause that needs to be addressed.... But then imagine it like this....

Majority of people in Jail in America are Christians
Look at the high security ones where people have murdered and you'll find most of them are Christians.
I know the media have produced headlines of the disgusting Muslim peodophiles but there have been a few outing of peados recently in my town .... They are all white British... And probably class themselves as Christian... At least culturally.

So to address your point...yes islam does have a lot to account for. But no more so than any other religion. And how do you 'account for' when everyone is different. If I went round in a church saying that person from down the road is a peado ... he's also a Christian so your religion has a lot to account for.... I bet the response would be.... It's nothing to do with us... Why should we apologise.... What do you want us to do