I don't disagree. This is basically what I said. Report the death toll.
We don't need to know any more than that. The grim details are best left to the imagination.
Tower block fire - london
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I don't disagree. This is basically what I said. Report the death toll.
We don't need to know any more than that. The grim details are best left to the imagination.
I think having a relative die is going to cause distress, I don't think people pointing out that lots of people died on X floor is, in the grand scheme of things, going to make much difference
if anything people often want to know what happened...
this is all rather moot as the whole discussion has come from some stupid conspiracy thing from social media re: idiots claiming 'my neighbours cousin's mate's best friend is a fireman who said that there are 20000 bodies the government is hiding from us'
not re: conspiracies about extra hidden bodies the government is hiding from us...
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I'm starting to wonder if some of these flats may have been grossly over populated, by people renting out parts out that are little more than cupboards, as reported in the media in recent years. There's also the possibility of unofficial sub letting.
We really could be dealing with a conspiracy of sorts, where hundreds may have died in this terrible tradegy, but very few will ever really know because of how hot the fire was and how it left very little identifyable remains.
We really could be dealing with a conspiracy of sorts, where hundreds may have died in this terrible tradegy, but very few will ever really know because of how hot the fire was and how it left very little identifyable remains.
some of them maybe... if you see the earlier google doc re: people accounted and unaccounted for you can see cases of say 6 people living in one flat - these were 1 and 2 bedroom flats aside from the new ground floor ones AFAIK
this is part of the reason why authorities can't give an accurate count of the missing/dead yet - some flats might have had lodgers, some flats might have been illegally sublet, some might have had additional family members either living there or visiting
this isn't really a 'conspiracy' though
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If they're one of the many hundreds of thousands/millions that have arrived via a container/lorry/boat etc. over many years they may well be totally anonymous.
If they're one of the many hundreds of thousands/millions that have arrived via a container/lorry/boat etc. over many years they may well be totally anonymous.
Someone commented on an article I saw about this tragic event claiming they were a US fireman and was surprised no "jumping rings" (essentially trampolines) were deployed all around the block. I can't get it out of my head. Could this have been effective? Surely someone jumping from 23rd floor wouldn't have stood a chance? But then I thought to myself.. I dunno, maybe? I kind of want to know it wasn't a case of lack of equipment on part of fire service and more a case of them knowing it simply wouldn't have helped anyone.
Same goes for helicopters with water... Why were there none? Again, is it down to lack of resource or simply knowledge it would just not prove effective?
Same goes for helicopters with water... Why were there none? Again, is it down to lack of resource or simply knowledge it would just not prove effective?
If there were jumping rings i would have taken my chances, even if those chances were low. At least it was a possible way out
I feel same way, and really cannot understand why there were none. It is angering me. And I don't think the media is pressing on it enough. No-one is talking about it. I really am worried it's just the sad reality of lack of equipment / expertise in dealing with tower block fires in this Country. It is utterly sickening to imagine that is the case though so I am desperately looking for some reasoning behind why it was ruled out.
Not sure, I think they might work around the premise that this sort of fire just shouldn't happen this quickly and that they'd be able to contain and control it fairly quickly. Did think those air mats stuntmen use might have been handy but then at what point to you put them out? You've got firemen working their way up, if folks starting jumping where they might have been rescued then they'd be getting the blame for that.
Helicopter with water? Like those fighting forest fires? Probably do more damage to the building dropping a tonne of water on it for not much benefit.
Helicopter with water? Like those fighting forest fires? Probably do more damage to the building dropping a tonne of water on it for not much benefit.
Heard an expert being interviewed on helicopters with water and he said it wouldnt have worked and would have made it worse.
Yeah the helicopters rotors can essentially fan the flames and cause it to spread to other floors
This. If you watch that clip with the fire platform, there are huge chunks of burning debris falling off
It's not a lack of expertise. There's tower block fires every day in this country and for most of them the fire is contained to a single flat and everybody above that stays safely inside their own flat until the fire is out. If the fire brigade started setting up saftey nets or whatever, that's just going to encourage people to jump and then they'll injure or kill themselves doing so.
We don't need to come up with new solutions to evacuate people from tower blocks in the aftermath of this disaster, we need to work out why the containment method failed and fix that. Prevention is better than cure, etc.
Everything comes back to money.