This is a scary thought. If this was the case, and it seemed to be, then I think a lack of platforms coming up and grabbing a handful of them each time is quite shocking and one an inquest/inquiry has to look into pretty deeply.
Tower block fire - london
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This is a scary thought. If this was the case, and it seemed to be, then I think a lack of platforms coming up and grabbing a handful of them each time is quite shocking and one an inquest/inquiry has to look into pretty deeply.
Like said platforms of that type on the market from what we under stand are just too big for London, In America with their long straight avenues etc it's fine.
Having said that, a system could be developed for London that arrives on multiple trucks and is linked together you would have thought? Yeah it would take longer to deploy but still likely to save lives.
It's all well and good thinking about this now of course, but this fire was the first of its type in sheer speed and scale.
Whether you specified paper wadding and straw, or the most expensive cladding possible for the building, there should have been a review committee for the project who had an overview and competence to risk assess the design and sign it off. This level of competency requires a consultant engineer (I suppose they had one) who could oversee the contractor and approve material and method.
Quite something, that.
I climb 12 floors to get to my office, and know how hard work that can be. Can't imagine doing 20 floors in full fire gear in those conditions.
I don't think he was very helpful really - the anger is understandable but taking it out on Gove to that level isn't going to accomplish anything.
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Agreed, this is all turning a bit 'Princess Diana' if you ask me.
It isn't about austerity. They all have budgets and if they see a device is only going to be used a few times at the most they don't see it is worth the money, so it doesn't get spent and sometimes they don't always have the huge funds for the fancy machinery. Let alone where it will be stored.
Nothing that man does or has ever done has been helpful.
Some interesting points there about the congestion on the nearby steets, etc. - people were criticising them for the relatively small number of hoses being used and limits on hose distance but many of the appliances couldn't get closer than 4-5 streets and had to rely on what had managed to get closer.
EDIT: Interesting as well there didn't seem to be any proper plan for distributing building plans, points of interest and management/attack plans - you'd have thought in this day and age stuff like that would be properly centralised with computer systems - even potentially augmented reality.
Done for a reaction on twitter to air tweets? It is how journalism/news is nowadays.
He did after all cheese off a lot of Americans. Hence why he came back here.
Wow, I think he may well be speaking the truth, but to go after him like that is not helping anyone.
I've just watched the panorama documentary on this. Made me even more livid and upset about it. Another question that needs to be asked now is why people were still being told to "stay put" when it was obvious surely to all within 15-30 mins or so that getting out asap was the only advice to give.
Its a bit like two bits of pond scum having a fight, I genuinely don't believe either one of them gives two *****. One is a slimy politician with his own agenda and the other is a hypocritical bandwagon leaping rating chaser with no morals. Where was his moral outrage when his paper where tapping phones.
Funny how some also assumes others are always taking sides.
I thought it was pretty irresponsible of the BBC to air that Panorama, like an awful lot of the on going media attention it is too much and in this case too soon. There will be a public enquiry and we will see answers and recommendations all the current 24/7 news hysteria needs to be toned down until we know more. the fire brigade are still removing bodies from the building and people have already jumped to enough conclusions fir Piers Morgan's mock anger assault on Gove. Shockingly I think Gove comes across much better than Piers and I can't stand Gove, Piers is just being a self serving idiot and despite his denials he is showboating, Gove is actually being reasonable and sensible. LOL at Piers saying he thinks 6 days is enough for the cabinet to have identified the causes and identified the solutions.
Lets leave the grieving to those who have suffered and stop kicking the hornets nest until we know the complete story, then put our energy into seeing firstly that this doesn't happen again and that all recommendations are put into action as quickly as possible and then to ensure anyone who is at fault is held accountable.
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Conspiracy theorists will no doubt be comparing this to the WTC towers(and building 7), in other words why didn't the this tower collapse after burning for 12 hours. Full on tower fires are still fairly rare so this will probably be used as I said to compare to 911. Maybe the jet fuel and impact on 911 were just too much for the building, however all three building did come down weirdly like an explosion. Just a heads up.