When a Console is better than your PC...

[Curlyriff]

Retail windows 10 home key for £10. Have used quite a few in the past with no issues.

Sure it has a blue ray player inbuilt. Can't get an inbuilt one to fit that price range I agree with that.

I could mention an extra cost of around £10-15 per game vs PC games, cost for membership. If you wanted to use mouse aim you will need a £100 adapter. but I left those out...

We are purely on about the console itself. Games are not being covered by those costs. You are now deciding to change tact because what you posted before.

And sorry but I've never seen the £10 retail home key. It's £95 from OcUK and £115 from Microsoft direct.

There are cheaper adaptors and MS is working on adding support later. But again that's irrelevant to the costing. The controller needed to use the console would be £48 so the cost of mouse/keyboard then for gaming would need to be proved less than that for a saving but still need to include a price for it.

So my point still stands that the cheapest you can build a system with is £800 for similar spec or even £720 with your magic £10 key (not including student/education discounts etc) that's still a fair chunk more than the console.

I'd also say that the CPU and GPU won't run as well as that on the Xbox because games are not well optimised and even getting smooth continues 30fps at 4K is going to be a tall order on medium settings for the games that are releasing with this console.

I have the Intel cpu you specified for a machine for misses and it struggles with keeping up with gaming because the resources used just to run the OS although haven't tried game mode with W10 since but the low percentile frames drop below 30fps and that was with a gtx 1070 as GPU at 4K medium/high.

 

[tyler_jrb]

We are purely on about the console itself. Games are not being covered by those costs. You are now deciding to change tact because what you posted before.

And sorry but I've never seen the £10 retail home key. It's £95 from OcUK and £115 from Microsoft direct.

There are cheaper adaptors and MS is working on adding support later. But again that's irrelevant to the costing. The controller needed to use the console would be £48 so the cost of mouse/keyboard then for gaming would need to be proved less than that for a saving but still need to include a price for it.

So my point still stands that the cheapest you can build a system with is £800 for similar spec or even £720 with your magic £10 key (not including student/education discounts etc) that's still a fair chunk more than the console.

I'd also say that the CPU and GPU won't run as well as that on the Xbox because games are not well optimised and even getting smooth continues 30fps at 4K is going to be a tall order on medium settings for the games that are releasing with this console.

I have the Intel cpu you specified for a machine for misses and it struggles with keeping up with gaming because the resources used just to run the OS although haven't tried game mode with W10 since but the low percentile frames drop below 30fps and that was with a gtx 1070 as GPU at 4K medium/high.

Sorry I lied. windows 10 pro, its £3.48 from the bay. Instant delivery.

That gives you an idea of how the XB1X will cope then doesn't it. your looking at 30fps/4k and your still going to get drops below that in intensive situations just like any type of machine of the same power.

your looking at basic med/high settings with everything else turned off.

I agree a cheap fx 8 core would be better like what is spec'd in the pcworld build. The g3258 isn't the best.

 

[Curlyriff]

Sorry there is no way I'm buying an OS off there. Retail shop only for OS thanks.

It doesn't say anything about the Xbox that will be better optimised. It's DX12, it's closed system with almost no OS systems running.

What's basic med/high even mean?

If the CPU isn't good, why spec it? If you can't get a Blu-Ray player that matches and ignore it why suggest otherwise? If your having to buy retail keys that are from unknown suppliers then how can you compare to a retail price direct from MS?

Your just not helping the argument that a PC tower (with mouse/keyboard) is able to built anywhere near that of what MS have produced with the latest Xbox.

It's rather impressive in honesty and let's be fair it will soon drop to sub £400 after Xmas.

 

[V F]

It's rather impressive in honesty and let's be fair it will soon drop to sub £400 after Xmas.

I hate to say it but console wins. Most teenagers/20s don't want to faff about with PC and most of their friends are on both consoles. While they do everything else on their phones and tablets.

 

[Curlyriff]

I hate to say it but console wins. Most teenagers/20s don't want to faff about with PC and most of their friends are on both consoles. While they do everything else on their phones and tablets.

Me too, but I will generally say it how I see it which doesn't always go well in the tech crowd.

I don't see things actually improving for the PC market, there are just too many variables that change so much up.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Me too, but I will generally say it how I see it which doesn't always go well in the tech crowd.

I don't see things actually improving for the PC market, there are just too many variables that change so much up.

+1

yes from the PC side you can build to your own budget and you get lots of options but we have been getting a raw deal in terms of dev support/game features in the last while on PC.
If microsoft deliver a solid 4k gaming setup in the XBOX1X then it will be hard to justify the hassle to build a comparable/slightly better PC setup on a budget similar to the one tyler has specd .
Even if the hardware matches the XBOX spec, the XBOX doesn't have to live with a crappy OS and drivers that have to be optimized for use with multiples of different hardware configurations.

Obviously if you have money to burn a high spec gaming rig will wipe the floor with the XBOX. But not everybody ****'s gold nuggets.

 

[bru]

Isn't there a separate forum for the console stuff?

 

[tyler_jrb]

Sorry there is no way I'm buying an OS off there. Retail shop only for OS thanks.

It doesn't say anything about the Xbox that will be better optimised. It's DX12, it's closed system with almost no OS systems running.

What's basic med/high even mean?

If the CPU isn't good, why spec it? If you can't get a Blu-Ray player that matches and ignore it why suggest otherwise? If your having to buy retail keys that are from unknown suppliers then how can you compare to a retail price direct from MS?

Your just not helping the argument that a PC tower (with mouse/keyboard) is able to built anywhere near that of what MS have produced with the latest Xbox.

It's rather impressive in honesty and let's be fair it will soon drop to sub £400 after Xmas.

Bought quite a few keys from there and the saving is huge so it really is worth it.

Basic med/high just means that. Just set to a preset with no special features like bloom, ambient occulsion, Anti-aliasing, vignetting etc etc.

I spec'd the cpu because the xbox's cpu isn't any good either. After all its still a jaguar and only clocked at 2.3ghz. In fairness like i said an fx 8 core would have been the better choice.

Sure an equivalent pc is going to cost more. Just not 2-3 times more like everyone keeps making out. Sure it might not include a blue ray drive but for most people that's hardly a deal breaker.

I said nothing about the xbox being poor value or anything like that. Lets be fair it is incredibly good value for what your getting no doubt about that.

 

[Gerinako]

I've got to ask - how many people use discs now anyway for movies.
Whats the trend?

It's got to be declining.

I stopped buying Blu Rays years ago as I vastly prefer digital

 

[james.miller]

Eurgh pointless. Why bother trying to build an equivent PC for the cost of a one x, can't be done. Waste of time. The console will be released at a price point that can't be matched at the time, business as usual. From a purely gaming perspective, nothing will come close for VFM for a while at least.

 

[V F]

Isn't there a separate forum for the console stuff?

Yes but did someone get touchy perhaps?

I've got to ask - how many people use discs now anyway for movies.
Whats the trend?

It's got to be declining.

I stopped buying Blu Rays years ago as I vastly prefer digital

I still do but my movie/tv viewing is declining.

 

[Curlyriff]

I buy proper Blu-Ray because they are vastly better than a compressed online version no matter where you get it from.

And in terms of my point above we have just proven that it's 2x the cost.

Also medium settings in the games show had ambient occlusion, bloom, anti-aliasing on so it isn't just basic med/high. Even if you select a preset they often have them on now in PC so suggesting music to me doesn't make sense. What you mean is medium but with features off.

Anyways enough of this, we have shown that a PC costs at least twice as much. Simple as that even with buying keys of there which Joe public and even many enthusiasts wouldn't touch.

 

[hobib_ali]

in terms of understanding what GPU or the equivalent will the XBOX ONE X have? apparently its a GTX 1060 ?

 

[V F]

in terms of understanding what GPU or the equivalent will the XBOX ONE X have? apparently its a GTX 1060 ?

1060 Ti?

 

[tyler_jrb]

I buy proper Blu-Ray because they are vastly better than a compressed online version no matter where you get it from.

And in terms of my point above we have just proven that it's 2x the cost.

Also medium settings in the games show had ambient occlusion, bloom, anti-aliasing on so it isn't just basic med/high. Even if you select a preset they often have them on now in PC so suggesting music to me doesn't make sense. What you mean is medium but with features off.

Anyways enough of this, we have shown that a PC costs at least twice as much. Simple as that even with buying keys of there which Joe public and even many enthusiasts wouldn't touch.

It cost 2x as much with a £400 blue ray player yes. But like I said unless your really that bothered you could watch movies online (far cheaper) or get a £70 stand alone 4K upscaled unit which wouldn't be far off.

But it can be interpreted in many ways as to what costs what.

Xbx costs £200 more a year if you pre-ordered 10 games. What about if you wanted to get rid of ghastly controller aim? Another £100? Some games your locked to 30 frames, I could go on...

 

[Curlyriff]

It cost 2x as much with a £400 blue ray player yes. But like I said unless your really that bothered you could watch movies online (far cheaper) or get a £70 stand alone 4K upscaled unit which wouldn't be far off.

But it can be interpreted in many ways as to what costs what.

Xbx costs £200 more a year if you pre-ordered 10 games. What about if you wanted to get rid of ghastly controller aim? Another £100? Some games your locked to 30 frames, I could go on...

Nope sorry your still talking rubbish to justify. The bluray player is £150 for the drive for a 4K one compared to £60/£70 for standard Blu-Ray. Not sure where the £400 has come from.

You are on about taking a spec and removing stuff to suit what you want because it doesn't fit the budget you said it could!

The movies online and the upscale version are not as good at all and it's because they are compressed data. The sound fidelity is the biggest lost not the picture quality with these units. It just isn't the same. Not sure how anyone can suggest upscaled or online even gets close to standard Blu-Ray let alone the newer UHD discs.

The point is that the Xbox can do it and the PC can't till you spend the extra.

The games are irrelevant. We are on about the machine. Stop adding items to justify. You could buy 10 games for the price difference alone before you have a single one on the PC and that's if you decide to pop £40 a game rather than going 2nd hand or sales. No different to PC and steam sales then either if you want to compare.

I play on PC with my Xbox controller for 90% games and no problem with things thanks, again you are putting your view on something you don't need to use the console to justify it. Even if you so wished to spend the £100 on it and then got 5 games and paid for Xbox live for 2 years you'd still only have a pc tower with keyboard and mouse with no games or software other than the OS for same price.

Some games on PC have had locked frames, and that again isn't something we are discussing here either. The point is for the PC your gettin your not getting more than 30fps either at 4K gaming and often much lower. I have my 980 overclocked and a much better CPU but I still struggle to get much more than 30fps on some games at medium/high settings. To suggest the PC specified will be worse. And you can't say that the Xbox clearly doesn't do it because we have seen it already do it with most games and certainly at 30fps 4K.

You can go on all you like but your just not being rational to what is being discussed and trying to justify too hard to prove a point that's already been disproved.

 

[Griffildur]

It's interesting that people look at things from a gaming perspective only. Let's be clear, if all you do is game and with recent titles only then I'd give consoles a slight advantage. If you do other thnigs not just gaming and have a vast library of games going back decades then a console is useless. I buy loads of games on steam and gog, mostly when they are down to a few quid while console games cost an arm and a leg. Yeah you might be buying one and it might be cheaper but once you add annual membership fees and cost of games and devices then the deal is not so sweet anymore.

Finally, you can upgrade a PC and most of the time it will be a discrete component, good luck doing that with a console.

All I am saying is that there are many things to consider not just out right price. Take my computer for example, it's been running happily since 2011 and all I changed was the GPU. I wonder who's been using the same console, day in day out, for the past 7 years ...

 

[aoaaron]

I wish the PS4 pro was as strong as the Xbox onex.

My issue with investing in a fantastic deal which the xbox onex is that the titles are available on PC. I'd rather buy a GTX 1080ti, smack that in my rig, than buy an XBOX oneX.

However the PS4 has a plethora of real exclusives I'd love to play at 4k or 60fps. (looks at bloodborne)

 

[wesley]

other thing about the PC build, you need a monitor with it so it'll cost more.

a game console where you already have a TV in the living room.

 

[tyler_jrb]

other thing about the PC build, you need a monitor with it so it'll cost more.

a game console where you already have a TV in the living room.

If you wanted a monitor they yes. But if you was just light gaming then you could put it in your living room and use it on your TV.