Ban on Tenant Letting Fees to go Ahead

Admitting to being a letting agent on here is pretty brave. Well admitting that anywhere is pretty brave ;) (If that's what you mean)

The problem is that as I wrote above, why would a landlords first instinct be to pass on the costs? That's not the way business works. If your supplier (i.e. the letting agent) is charging you too much or suddenly raises your rates, most people wouldn't accept that and pass it onto their customer. That's business suicide. You go back to your supplier and either threaten to leave unless they lower their rates, or just simply leave. Like I said, we're not exactly short of letting agents so the easiest solution for a landlord is to change agent or strong-arm them into lower their fees. It's obvious. Nobody with any common sense will just willy-nilly pass business costs onto their customers.

I'm not a letting agent, no idea how you make that assupmtion, I'm an accountant lol.

The reason a landlords first instinct would be that is because its the simplest solution for them. People are inherently lazy.
Assuming they fail to find any valid tenants they may well look at what they need to do to remedy that situation, but to suggest their first port of call would be to look to reduce that bill sounds more like wishful thinking than likely outcome.
If the market generally decides to pass on fees then the market has a new standard price for that property.

They may well look at it in order to reduce their costs, what exactly they propose to pass to the tenants doesn't have to bear any resemblance to the costs they incur, as it doesn't now with their other costs.
Will this become a valid deductable expense, I would assume it would. HMRC may look to interpret differently.

Rental costs are predominantly market related, if the market price is X then thats within reason what most people will charge. If the market price needs to go up because costs have gone up then the expectation is that will at least be attempted to be passed on. I see enough letters from vendors saying their costs have gone up so they are putting their prices up to know this ;) Of course there can be some negotiation at that time, but sometimes the answer is a simple no, look for a new vendor if you think you can get it cheaper.

Whilst in the rental market demand continues to exceed supply you can only assume an increase in rents (as happens every year) will just happen.

Simply regulating the fees would be far more effective.

The problem stems from the sheer volume of rentals and the churn that allows rental agencies to assist in prices going up. The more they go up, the more they get in fees.

I know someone who rents out a house, every year the agency comes to him and suggests a new rental price "taking into account market conditions", he says yes, and the agent implements the rise.
They are making the market, pushing up the prices, and the rest follow. Whilst demand remains high and properties move quickly then thats not going to change, until people stop renting.
 
A quote on the Mirror reads "Measures to enforce the ban would enable tenants to recover fees which have been unlawfully charged."

Does this mean all the "fees" that have been paid in the past can be recovered!? Seems too good to be true.
 
A quote on the Mirror reads "Measures to enforce the ban would enable tenants to recover fees which have been unlawfully charged."

Does this mean all the "fees" that have been paid in the past can be recovered!? Seems too good to be true.

Well no because as we stand today they are lawful

I can only think its to try to stop something along the lines of
Agent to tenant : "it sounds like your fine for this property but I am only allowed to propose to the landlord people that i can confirm are creditworthy, I cant do that today, but I could do it if you want to pay for a pre-vet service we can offer that gives you a certificate of creditworthyness"
 
A quote on the Mirror reads "Measures to enforce the ban would enable tenants to recover fees which have been unlawfully charged."

Does this mean all the "fees" that have been paid in the past can be recovered!? Seems too good to be true.
I'd love that but I doubt it very much. I guess they just mean if a rogue agent tries to get tenants to pay fees once the bill is passed.
 
As a landlord myself I try to avoid passing on as much to the tenant as I possibly can. A ***** off and disengaged tenant can cause me more problems than a few extra hundred quid a year.

I have stated before on other threads, this isnt a cash rich exercise for me, its a long game of getting my mortgage capital paid off by someone else and reaping the benefits of the increase in house value. Thats my goal anyway. The cash side of it will come once the mortgage disappears......a few years to go for that yet though.

I am sure other landlords will view their assets differently and pass this cost on to their tenants, and they are perfectly entitled to whilst the demand is there and the market allows it.

I have properties in wildly different areas of the UK. In most cases the moment the property goes on the lettings market it is snapped up in days, and sometimes the agency passes onto me the option of who I want to rent to because there are multiple interested parties who all pass their proviso reference checks.

Will I pass on this cost? Probably not if its a couple of hundred quid that I can write off my tax bill as an expense. Its simply not worth the hassle of antagonizing someone who I want to treat my house as their home and not a stop gap.
 
The problem with this I think is landlords will price low to get people in and then use the clause in the agreement to raise rent in x number of months time.

At which point the tenant finds a new property because there is no longer the barrier of high fees to deal with :)
 
Good. Took long enough, they just began to take the **** charging people like 200-300 quid signing fees for doing nothing... started off at like 30 quid to 50 then all of sudden these days it's into the 100's.

Capitalism at it's finest, everything always just has to descend into pure greed and this was one of those things.
 
Good. Took long enough, they just began to take the **** charging people like 200-300 quid signing fees for doing nothing... started off at like 30 quid to 50 then all of sudden these days it's into the 100's.

Capitalism at it's finest, everything always just has to descend into pure greed and this was one of those things.

Yup they are making an absolute killing for doing a check that costs what £20? Tbh I'm not sure they always check, nothing showed up on my credit report last time but they still charged me a fair whack.

Just think how much they make in high demand areas with multiple occupants, no wonder Bristol has streets full of the leeches.
 
Not that I care about rental properties any more, but what do people do who fail credit checks with all estate agents and need to find a new property to live in?

Surely there should be some kind of right to having an available property to live in (as long as the monthly payments are being met for the rent).

People who have such bad credit that all agents reject them for a property, do they just live on the streets?
 
Not that I care about rental properties any more, but what do people do who fail credit checks with all estate agents and need to find a new property to live in?

Surely there should be some kind of right to having an available property to live in (as long as the monthly payments are being met for the rent).

People who have such bad credit that all agents reject them for a property, do they just live on the streets?

no - most of them probably qualify for housing benefit - others perhaps don't get to move house... though really I suspect if you fail with one or two agents you try to find one that doesn't run credit checks or rent property by some other means
 
Not that I care about rental properties any more, but what do people do who fail credit checks with all estate agents and need to find a new property to live in?

Surely there should be some kind of right to having an available property to live in (as long as the monthly payments are being met for the rent).

People who have such bad credit that all agents reject them for a property, do they just live on the streets?

To be straight to the point really.... they're ******.

No other way to put it.
 
no - most of them probably qualify for housing benefit - others perhaps don't get to move house... though really I suspect if you fail with one or two agents you try to find one that doesn't run credit checks or rent property by some other means

There are two other options :

1)A guarantor is an option if the tenant can find one

2)The tenant heavily front loads their first payment with a number of months in advance. A number of years ago a tenant of mine who had just moved to the UK from overseas and was unable to provide a reference paid 12 months rent up front to my agent. Rare....but it does happen.
 
At which point the tenant finds a new property because there is no longer the barrier of high fees to deal with :)

Not quite that easy as people still have removal fees and inconvenience of moving each time. It would be better if each tenancy agreement had to have a fixed rent for at least 12 months if not 2 years.
 
Though the amount of fees these agencies request is mad, checkin checkout, inventory, certificates (gas/electricity), and a whole stack of others. Seems like a good cottage

Problem with estate agents is that they have a bad rap sheet, poor so called professionals, and idiot in flash suit. The industry needed to be more professional and accountable as per most other service industries.

Depends how much competition there is agency wise and how much landlords have the ability to shop around and can be bothered to.

A landlord does have some power to drive the estate/letting agents fees down. As there are more people renting which means another agent my do a deal with landlord on price of fees.
Plus there is a lot that can be done on the web vis template down loads.
 
Not that I care about rental properties any more, but what do people do who fail credit checks with all estate agents and need to find a new property to live in?

Surely there should be some kind of right to having an available property to live in (as long as the monthly payments are being met for the rent).

People who have such bad credit that all agents reject them for a property, do they just live on the streets?

There are plenty of landlords out their still willing to rent to them, but the places wont be as nice.
 
2)The tenant heavily front loads their first payment with a number of months in advance. A number of years ago a tenant of mine who had just moved to the UK from overseas and was unable to provide a reference paid 12 months rent up front to my agent. Rare....but it does happen.
The maximum deposit has now been made one week's rent (through an agent): https://thenegotiator.co.uk/letting-fees-ban-queens-speech/

But in a surprise move, the government also revealed that it is to cap deposits at one week’s rent, rather than the six weeks’ rent that is most common within the sector at the moment.
 
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