Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[eddyr]

Well in it's current state it's a good 16gb productivity card, but that is only providing you don't need certification, ECC memory nor FP64, that is a lot of conditions that don't meet what "real" professionals want, that is the (only) problem it has at the moment to be a real workstation card. But yeah sure if you don't need all that and the 16gbs of vram will serve you, it's a great card. But then they should have sold it as such and never mention the word Gaming once, and if asked they should have stook* to their guns and say "this is not a gaming card", but they didn't

Edit : Spelling of stuck lolz...

I do expect those features to be present in the relevant variant. At the end of it all you'll have the FE, the MI25 instinct, the Pro SSG (Onboard ssd) line and maybe a FirePro version. All selling for a pretty penny or a lot more.

 

[ljt]

Well my conclusion from the FE launch is simply wait for the gaming Vega release and then make a decision based on price/performance.

If it ends up being 1080 performance for around £400 or 1080ti performance for £500-550 then I will bite

If it's neither of those then I'll stick to consoles and be done with the hassle of pc gaming

 

[JediFragger]

If it ends up being 1080 performance for around £400

No way they can sell it for such a low amount, they'd simply lose money on it. The chip is just too big (combined with HBM2 costing a lot more than GDDR5X)

 

[TNA]

Gif of the pcper test. Frontier is not doing Tiled rasterization

Well that would certainly help with extra performance together with better drivers. If the rumour is true of a newer steeping, then RX Vega will definitely be much better at gaming than the FE.

Right, I am all pumped again!

 

[DragonQ]

No way they can sell it for such a low amount, they'd simply lose money on it. The chip is just too big (combined with HBM2 costing a lot more than GDDR5X)

Even if by turning on a bunch of features in a proper RX driver they get to 1080 Ti levels, they still need to undercut nVidia to sell any. Same goes for the cut-down "small Vega" - even if it performs like a GTX 1080, it needs to be under the £500 that they currently sell for. This all assumes big Vega can even match the 1080 Ti; if it can't, they'll need to sell both big and small Vega for even less.

 

[WeSbO]

Well my conclusion from the FE launch is simply wait for the gaming Vega release and then make a decision based on price/performance.

If it ends up being 1080 performance for around £400 or 1080ti performance for £500-550 then I will bite

If it's neither of those then I'll stick to consoles and be done with the hassle of pc gaming

400£ for a 500mm2 die with 8gb HBM2 I don't see that as being possible at this moment, even on a cut down gpu, since Fiji price of ram has gone up, a Fury was 450£ (550$) I believe when launched, in july 2015 550$ was around 360£, so yeah won't be getting 500mm2 at 400£ I don't think.

 

[JediFragger]

Got a £400 budget? 580 for you

 

[Nexus18]

I just love this thread, so many people basing so much on:

1. a "professional" work card, not even the gaming version
2. drivers that aren't even final as shown by countless things not adding up
3. It is matching a 1080 on the whole but nope, it's also a fail despite not knowing anything concrete at all about the price for gaming vega

But lets all continue with AMD are DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED in the meantime

Well my conclusion from the FE launch is simply wait for the gaming Vega release and then make a decision based on price/performance.

If it ends up being 1080 performance for around £400 or 1080ti performance for £500-550 then I will bite

If it's neither of those then I'll stick to consoles and be done with the hassle of pc gaming

Stop bringing common sense into this thread!!!!!

But yes, people should be more worried about the price at this point now, gibbo has already come out and said that the day of good VGA sales are gone due to the mining craze and memory prices sky rocketing (even more for gpus with lots of memory) and the 580s going for £300 so we definitely aren't going to see any gaming vega card below £400, possibly the least being £350 but that is a stretch unless AMD are planning a price cut across their range, which is also unlikely due to the mining craze.....

Still, we have had some come out and say that the price to performance is very attractive so who knows.....

And yes, I have a feeling that a lot of people will just move to a console if gaming vega disappoints, which will only be more bad news for PC gaming as a whole.

I will be getting a ps 4 pro regardless but if vega is **** then I will just skip upgrading the PC/GPU until the "PC master race" actually becomes the master race again. Like I said a year+ ago, PC gaming market is on the road to becoming an extreme enthusiast platform only now, especially if AMD can't get their act together....

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Well that would certainly help with extra performance together with better drivers. If the rumour is true of a newer steeping, then RX Vega will definitely be much better at gaming than the FE.

Right, I am all pumped again!

No, don't get on. Slow it down Scotty. Just because a major feature that increases performance and helps to decrease power usage isn't active doesn't mean it'll be a big a jump for Vega as it was from Kepler to Maxwell. I mean come on now, Kepler to Maxwell was 28nm - 28nm, and it only increased at most 50-60% from Titan to Titan X with similar new features Vega is getting.

At best the jump from Fiji to Vega, 28nm - 14nm, with 50% increased clocks, not including these new features like Tile based rasterization, increased IPC for NCUs, and more; will be another 10% performance increase over Fury X with RX Vega.

 

[eddyr]

They probably also thought that a tiny number of people would buy the FE so there is much less risk if it's not certified for professional use or got proper gaming drivers on release. It was the lowest risk release they could do whilst still sticking to the H1 timetable. Are there really that many people out there that do enough professional workloads to justify the £1k cost, don't need great gaming performance, but also don't need certified drivers? Surely most amateurs dabbling with professional applications would just use "normal" consumer grade GPUs, and proper professionals would be buying the higher end stuff?

Exactly. Its a perfect niche/semi-artificial market segment to target for the launch of a product still under development that they didn't yet want to release to the traditional GPU markets but had to meet deadlines and shareholder expectations.

 

[Besty]

Considering the RX version is supposed to be faster. How do the disappointed feel about an RX Vega that is consistently as fast or faster than a 1080?

no matter what happens between now and rx launch, the chip fab is currently spitting out chips that are 25% slower in clock speed than tsmc.

i would not worry about this per se but it puts a lid on expectations.

still excited about ryzen/vega combo for laptop gaming as honestly, i am totally fed up with the intel/nvidia price gouge which has resulted in this year's laptop upgrade costing me approx £800 more than previous years.

as i have said before 1080 perf for 1080p/1440p is perfectly acceptable to me in the context that nvidia can no longer charge what it likes.

 

[DrBombcrater]

how much is that in the queens currency? like per day/month?

1000H/sec is roughly £45 per week, excluding power costs.

 

[zornyan]

1000H/sec is roughly £45 per week, excluding power costs.

wow that's more than I thought.

so over the course if say 5-6 months (if not done 24/7) my 1080ti could pay for itself?

 

[DrBombcrater]

Unfortunately it's not that simple. Profitability generally declines over time (what's known as rising difficulty), so you're unlikely to make enough to pay off a 1080ti in less than a year. If it ever happens at all.

Getting hurriedly back on topic, this is why expensive cards like the Vega FE are a risky buy for mining. The ROI point is too far away and vulnerable to difficulty, market crashes, etc. I'm hoping the Vega RX cards are priced above £500 and have mediocre mining performance, so I actually have a chance of getting one

 

[imginy]

wow that's more than I thought.

so over the course if say 5-6 months (if not done 24/7) my 1080ti could pay for itself?

It's a lot of messing about if your just doing it with one card especially if it's on your main rig and wiith all these people mining the difficulty will go right up which means profits come right down.

 

[zornyan]

It's a lot of messing about if your just doing it with one card especially if it's on your main rig and wiith all these people mining the difficulty will go right up which means profits come right down.

ah ok, thanks for the explanations!

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

That is why in the live stream a load of us where spamming the chat asking ryan to test doom but he would not.....maybe the doom results 6 months ago where not even running on a prototype VEGA ...also the recent Pray demo running on two vega gpus seems strange to me ....

some thing is not right here ...

That's a very strange attitude. I'm curious as to why he refused to test Doom. Did he test prey or the star wars game?

Seems like a very fishy attitude to me.

 

[Steampunk]

That's a very strange attitude. I'm curious as to why he refused to test Doom. Did he test prey or the star wars game?

Seems like a very fishy attitude to me.

It wouldn't be the first time Nvidia has given "guidance" to websites as to how to test AMD cards against their own products. It's much of a muchness without proper gaming drivers, or even a proper gaming card.

 

[pagepack]

I'm hoping the Vega RX cards are priced above £500 and have mediocre mining performance, so I actually have a chance of getting one

If the lower tier RX Vega card with 1080 performance comes in for £500 plus, you'll have your pick of cards. As NVIDIA will most likely adjust their prices slightly on release, making the price/performance argument a difficult one.

Freesync owners will have tricky decision.

 

[five8five]

That's a very strange attitude. I'm curious as to why he refused to test Doom. Did he test prey or the star wars game?

Seems like a very fishy attitude to me.

Think he said he was doing their test game list as in a proper review and time would possibly be tight. He did take requests - mining for example.